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Minmatar Freedom Fighters Attacking FCO Members in Intaki

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Saul Ambrye
Ishukone Prosperity Exchange
#21 - 2012-07-25 14:40:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Saul Ambrye
Degnar Oskold wrote:
And thus is the insidious link between the Intaki and our sworn foes the treacherous Caldari State exposed!

If you are attempting to suggest that the actions of a capsuleer corporation aligned with a militia implicates that entire militia, then it would be equally valid to ask why the TLF has engaged in multiple acts of piracy throughout multiple Federation regions.

Just 30 hours before this latest attempt at spin, another of your pilots was lashing at the ILF for collusion with Federation militia pilots.

This is one capsuleer organization offering aid to another capsuleer organization. It is understandable -given the outlook that your historical activities indicate- you would find this concept foreign and unfamiliar.

To conclude that "The Intaki" and "The Caldari State" are aligned in some grand conspiratorial arc because of this is a massive leap of reason.

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For why else would the Caldari Militia offer to leap to aid the Intaki were they not already agents in their employ?

Maybe because the IPI represents a stabilizing influence to the area that both governments see as beneficial for long-term economic growth. Perhaps there are elements of both militias who find self-serving criminals hiding their activities behind the shield of the uniforms they wear to be contemptible. But again, your capacity for considering the wider context of your actions falls far, far short.

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Space Brothers of the Valkyr! This wardec has revealed the true face of the Intaki snake! Let us join to crush them and collect their bitter tears!

If you expect to continue operating in the Intaki heartland you may do well not to cast about racist slander at those of such heritage. If you intend to operate as supposed allies of the Federation, you might find it wise not to collectively condemn an ethnic group that represents one of its founding signatory member-nations.

Multiple Nationalist administrations have not broken the Intaki. Generations of Gallente cultural exportation have not removed our identity. Your band of chest-thumping outlaws will hardly "crush" the Intaki people, we have endured far worse.

Trials come and go,

Intaki endures!

Saul Ambrye Executive Director Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict"

Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-07-25 15:37:15 UTC
The level of self-service and treachery evident from Valkyr in this incident has been made all but apparent and it pains me to see that the willingness of a militia affiliated capsuleer group to assist a non-militia affiliated capsuleer group who, for all intents and purposes is politically neutral in regards to State/Federal affairs, would be used in broad justification for continued hostility.

My prayers will go out toward the Intaki people, IPI, ILF, I-RED and WHG in this regard. May the righteousness of your struggle grant you the strength to overcome.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-07-25 15:42:41 UTC
Degnar Oskold wrote:

And thus is the insidious link between the Intaki and our sworn foes the treacherous Caldari State exposed! For why else would the Caldari Militia offer to leap to aid the Intaki were they not already agents in their employ?


The Caldari Militia didn't leap to anyone's aid, the Wiyrkomi Honor Guard did. Furthermore, the cooperation between State affiliated organizations like I-RED and Intaki affiliated organizations like the Intaki Liberation Front has been known for quite some time. Why? Because the Intaki Liberation Front represents the interests of the Intaki people, not the Federation and the fact that pirates such as yourselves see this as reason to engage them with military action seems to lend credence to their wariness regarding the situation.

Degnar Oskold wrote:
Space Brothers of the Valkyr! This wardec has revealed the true face of the Intaki snake! Let us join to crush them and collect their bitter tears!


Congratulations, you just earned a special place on my ever-expanding list of unintelligent pirates.

~Malcolm Khross

Glippo
Hello. Yes.
#24 - 2012-07-25 18:04:24 UTC
Bataav wrote:

I'm pleased another of Valkyr Industries' representatives has decided to bring Miss Sparkles' involvement to the fore as I was unsure whether to myself or not


I am not a representative for Valkyr Industries, I am, as i have stated a self appointed representative of the Caldari State.

Bataav wrote:

It is correct that following a short period of bumping and targetting an ILF pilot, on the undock of the Astral Mining station in Intaki, Miss Sparkles warped to one of the asteroid belts. The pilot in question, in accordance with the ILF RoE referred to earlier, considered this action as hostile and an invitation to engage away from the sentry guns of the station. A short time later Miss Sparkles lost her Drake.


If i were to be mining in a belt and was to be bumped by an innocent pilot, and if i were to attack and ruthlessly slaughter him, would i be a pirate, a criminal in your eyes? or perhaps i could just point some self written RoE and be excused from my actions?

Let us face the situation rationally; the attack on Miss Sparkles was a disgusting act of criminality and should not go unpunished.

Darc Kaahar is a close personal friend of mine, but his blood can run hot at times, however this is to be expected of such a gifted capsuleer pilot; His tactics and strategies are legendary within the Minmatar Miltia and further a field, I have witnessed him single handedly destroy entire fleets of enemy warships, neither his brilliance nor the respect he demands can be questioned.

Furthering this point, Darc Kaahar is very protective of Miss Sparkles, but this is justified of any Star Crossed Lovers such as these, he was indeed enraged by the attack on Miss sparkles; and Rightfully! so.

Saul Ambrye wrote:

This is one capsuleer organization offering aid to another capsuleer organization. It is understandable -given the outlook that your historical activities indicate- you would find this concept foreign and unfamiliar.


If this is how you view inter-stellar politics i would urge you, and The Intaki Liberation Front both, to cease attempting to discredit the anger felt by the people of Valkyr Industries by continually referring to us as members of the Minmatar Militia, we are as you have stated yourself; a capsuleer oganisation in our own right.

Saul Ambrye wrote:

Maybe because the IPI represents a stabilizing influence to the area that both governments see as beneficial for long-term economic growth. Perhaps there are elements of both militias who find self-serving criminals hiding their activities behind the shield of the uniforms they wear to be contemptible. But again, your capacity for considering the wider context of your actions falls far, far short.


I would argue that they are not the stabilizing force you seem to think they are, as i have stated continually, they attacked and mercilessly slaughtered a good and innocent friend of ours Miss Sparkles without provocation!

I would also like to take this point to express the offence i am feeling by being continually referred to as a criminal and outlaw, i am neither!, nor are the members of Valkyr Industries and i would suggest for your own good you cease referring to me and the members of Valkyr Industries as such.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-07-25 18:32:33 UTC
Glippo wrote:
If this is how you view inter-stellar politics i would urge you, and The Intaki Liberation Front both, to cease attempting to discredit the anger felt by the people of Valkyr Industries by continually referring to us as members of the Minmatar Militia, we are as you have stated yourself; a capsuleer oganisation in our own right.


Apparently the nuance is lost in translation, allow me to clarify. The entire Caldari Militia was credited with "leaping to the aid" of the Intaki, when it was only one capsuleer organization in the militia that had done so. In this sense, the statement that the Caldari Militia was doing the leaping was false, as it was only one corporation.

You have been labeled members of the Minmatar militia, which is a factual statement. (Or at least was at one time). However, the fact that you make base in a nullsec station owned and operated by the Angel Cartel is far more telling.

Glippo wrote:
I would also like to take this point to express the offence i am feeling by being continually referred to as a criminal and outlaw, i am neither!, nor are the members of Valkyr Industries and i would suggest for your own good you cease referring to me and the members of Valkyr Industries as such.


It may surprise you to realize that you are offended because you choose to take offense, it is impossible for the words of another to provoke and offend unless the recipient allows them to. Also, I am not sure that thinly veiled threats are going to serve you well at this current juncture.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Sakaane Eionell
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#26 - 2012-07-25 23:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakaane Eionell
Glippo wrote:
and mercilessly slaughtered a good and innocent friend of ours Miss Sparkles


Really! Please do produce Miss Sparkles' corpse as evidence that we mercilessly slaughtered her. Please do offer up the verified kill report showing IPI destroyed her capsule as back up.

You do know the definition of the word slaughter, yes? It is, the brutal or violent killing of a person; the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., especially for food; the killing of great numbers of people or animals indiscriminately; carnage: the slaughter of war.

In actual fact, no one from IPI has ever slaughtered Miss Sparkles. The only item which was "slaughtered" was the Drake she piloted, a material possession not unlike the other ships she herself has killed or lost in the past.

Admittedly, the survival rate of baseliner crew from the destruction of a battlecruiser-class ship varies anywhere from 15% to 30% on average, but no one in this thread can claim exemption from that particular variety of slaughter, so any point in that direction is moot.

Glippo wrote:
If i were to be mining in a belt and was to be bumped by an innocent pilot, and if i were to attack and ruthlessly slaughter him, would i be a pirate, a criminal in your eyes? or perhaps i could just point some self written RoE and be excused from my actions?


The act was done. It cannot be undone. I discussed the matter and negotiated in good faith with Miss Sparkles and reached an agreement for compensation that she felt was fair. She accepted.

Darc responded to her acceptance by calling his so-called "star crossed lover" stupid and naive and that his word, not hers, would be final in this matter even though it's honestly none of his business. In his words, she would do as he told her to and nothing else.

So perhaps you might like to point to one man's arrogance and brutal disrespect for a woman as an excuse for waging war against an entire alliance of people, the majority of whom had nothing to do with the original incident?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2012-07-26 12:11:29 UTC
If IPI requires any armed support on the matter, I am ready to offer mine gladly.
Saul Ambrye
Ishukone Prosperity Exchange
#28 - 2012-07-26 13:09:04 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Glippo wrote:
I would also like to take this point to express the offence i am feeling by being continually referred to as a criminal and outlaw, i am neither!, nor are the members of Valkyr Industries and i would suggest for your own good you cease referring to me and the members of Valkyr Industries as such.

It may surprise you to realize that you are offended because you choose to take offense, it is impossible for the words of another to provoke and offend unless the recipient allows them to. Also, I am not sure that thinly veiled threats are going to serve you well at this current juncture.

It is no longer a matter of threats, I am told that Darc Kaahar opened fire on an IPREX planetary trade vessel without provocation as it departed the Astral Mining station to make deliveries.

Any pretense of concern for "innocent" victims of "unprovoked violence" has now been entirely lost.

Saul Ambrye Executive Director Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict"

Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-07-26 13:15:25 UTC
So it begins.

I will not pretend to be an experienced or capable combat pilot, but if there is anything I can do to lend assistance to either the military operations against these aggressors or to the planetside/non-militant personnel that will be involved, please do not hesitate to contact me.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
#30 - 2012-07-26 15:06:57 UTC
And once again, the Summit is used to huff and puff and blow smoke up everyone's ******. Take your petty fights to space and prove the value of your hollow words, if you dare.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2012-07-26 17:10:42 UTC
Henry Kaine wrote:
And once again, the Summit is used to huff and puff and blow smoke up everyone's ******. Take your petty fights to space and prove the value of your hollow words, if you dare.


Might I ask who are you already ?

Also, I can not speak for everyone here and certainly not you from what it seems (no records or anything and a pilot about three weeks old boasting here), but I think my records speak for themselves. I have never been afraid of proving anything in space. My proposal was genuine.
Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#32 - 2012-07-26 23:34:19 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
So it begins.

I will not pretend to be an experienced or capable combat pilot, but if there is anything I can do to lend assistance to either the military operations against these aggressors or to the planetside/non-militant personnel that will be involved, please do not hesitate to contact me.



There is something you can do, in fact. You can take a deep breath, bend over, take your opinions and gently push them up your ass. If you find there is not enough room, it's only because you are already so full of bullshit.



Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#33 - 2012-07-27 00:22:51 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Henry Kaine wrote:
And once again, the Summit is used to huff and puff and blow smoke up everyone's ******. Take your petty fights to space and prove the value of your hollow words, if you dare.


Might I ask who are you already ?

Also, I can not speak for everyone here and certainly not you from what it seems (no records or anything and a pilot about three weeks old boasting here), but I think my records speak for themselves. I have never been afraid of proving anything in space. My proposal was genuine.


I have no idea who that idiot is, but I do look forward to seeing you in space. I know that you were one of the best pilots in the Amarr/Minmatar war zone, perhaps even in the entire cluster. We will try and face this new challenge with the best of our ability.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2012-07-27 11:04:45 UTC
Darc Kaahar wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Henry Kaine wrote:
And once again, the Summit is used to huff and puff and blow smoke up everyone's ******. Take your petty fights to space and prove the value of your hollow words, if you dare.


Might I ask who are you already ?

Also, I can not speak for everyone here and certainly not you from what it seems (no records or anything and a pilot about three weeks old boasting here), but I think my records speak for themselves. I have never been afraid of proving anything in space. My proposal was genuine.


I have no idea who that idiot is, but I do look forward to seeing you in space. I know that you were one of the best pilots in the Amarr/Minmatar war zone, perhaps even in the entire cluster. We will try and face this new challenge with the best of our ability.


Uh what ? I think you may have been misinformed. My records have nothing exceptionnal and many, many crusaders were more active and efficient that I will ever be.
Daniel Alpena
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#35 - 2012-07-27 16:00:55 UTC
Darc Kaahar wrote:


There is something you can do, in fact. You can take a deep breath, bend over, take your opinions and gently push them up your ass. If you find there is not enough room, it's only because you are already so full of bullshit.






With your eloquence, it's easy to see why you inspire so much loyalty from your dedicated band of Don't-Call-Us-Pirates.

Of course, I'm sure you've had time to refine this speech since you first addressed it to Miss Sparkles.
Glippo
Hello. Yes.
#36 - 2012-07-27 16:05:32 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:

Apparently the nuance is lost in translation, allow me to clarify. The entire Caldari Militia was credited with "leaping to the aid" of the Intaki, when it was only one capsuleer organization in the militia that had done so. In this sense, the statement that the Caldari Militia was doing the leaping was false, as it was only one corporation.


I should clarify, My point was this; We are a member of the Minmatar Militia yes, however we are continually being asked, in this thread among other places. Why are we here, Why are we attacking supposed allies, Why are we not fighting the Amarr. these questions are irrelevant, we are a capsuleer organisation in our own right and are not bound in any way by the politiical stances of the Minmatar Republic.

Azdan Amith wrote:

However, the fact that you make base in a nullsec station owned and operated by the Angel Cartel is far more telling.


Telling of what? Also this statement is completely factually untrue, and i suggest you do your homework more thoroughly in the future.

Sakaane Eionell wrote:

Really! Please do produce Miss Sparkles' corpse as evidence that we mercilessly slaughtered her. Please do offer up the verified kill report showing IPI destroyed her capsule as back up.

You do know the definition of the word slaughter, yes? It is, the brutal or violent killing of a person; the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., especially for food; the killing of great numbers of people or animals indiscriminately; carnage: the slaughter of war.

In actual fact, no one from IPI has ever slaughtered Miss Sparkles. The only item which was "slaughtered" was the Drake she piloted, a material possession not unlike the other ships she herself has killed or lost in the past.


Although your pedanticalness appears to know no bounds, replace the word slaughter with destroyed, perhaps that will sooth your need to resort to meaningless frivolities in hopes of winning an argument which you appear incapable of doing in the face of such sound argument and reasoning.

Sakaane Eionell wrote:

The act was done. It cannot be undone. I discussed the matter and negotiated in good faith with Miss Sparkles and reached an agreement for compensation that she felt was fair. She accepted.

Darc responded to her acceptance by calling his so-called "star crossed lover" stupid and naive and that his word, not hers, would be final in this matter even though it's honestly none of his business. In his words, she would do as he told her to and nothing else.

So perhaps you might like to point to one man's arrogance and brutal disrespect for a woman as an excuse for waging war against an entire alliance of people, the majority of whom had nothing to do with the original incident?


Quite frankly, we do not like the idea of the Intaki people being protected by such murderous thugs as the Intaki Liberation Front, nor do we like the idea of living relatively near them. The Intaki People deserve better than you.

We are doing what must be done to ensure that the kind of unprovoked and merciless attacks such as that perpetrated against Miss Sparkles by the Intaki Liberation Front, can never occur again.

Saul Ambrye wrote:

It is no longer a matter of threats, I am told that Darc Kaahar opened fire on an IPREX planetary trade vessel without provocation as it departed the Astral Mining station to make deliveries.


Yes quite, in fact we have destroyed many hundreds of such haulers already; and are continuing to do so. It is the Hope of Valkyr Industries that this will force the people to reject the Intaki Liberation Front and finally see them for the seething Ugly Thugs that they are.

In fact, just this day passed, we have sent a message to the Intaki people living on Intaki prime, informing them of the horrendus crimes carried out in their name by the Intaki Liberation Front. Given the already present political discontent on the Planet concerning the perceived lack of ability of the Intaki Liberation Front to protect the Intaki system, or for that matter even attempt to do so these days; I think the Intaki people are ready for a revolution of their own.
Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
#37 - 2012-07-27 16:42:30 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Henry Kaine wrote:
And once again, the Summit is used to huff and puff and blow smoke up everyone's ******. Take your petty fights to space and prove the value of your hollow words, if you dare.


Might I ask who are you already ?

Also, I can not speak for everyone here and certainly not you from what it seems (no records or anything and a pilot about three weeks old boasting here), but I think my records speak for themselves. I have never been afraid of proving anything in space. My proposal was genuine.



The intergalactic summit can be something so much more enjoyable than narcissists opining about how far up the *** of religion they are and some Gallente kids playing with their parent's data terminal.

The Minmatards and Calamari are much more enjoyable conversationists, they don't sling nearly as much **** around, and when they do, it's painfully straightforward and to the visceral edge of the point.
Dr Eastwood
Oshaima Exports
#38 - 2012-07-27 16:49:06 UTC
Mr. Kaine, I must remind you per Mr. Enderas, that your continued contract with Oshaima Exports is put in danger by your volatile statements. I will not judge them for their content, but I must ask that you cease them immediately, lest you compromise your various security contracts in The Citadel region. Please acknowledge your receipt of this message with posthaste.

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"

Saul Ambrye
Ishukone Prosperity Exchange
#39 - 2012-07-27 17:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Saul Ambrye
Glippo wrote:
I should clarify, My point was this; We are a member of the Minmatar Militia yes, however we are continually being asked, in this thread among other places. Why are we here, Why are we attacking supposed allies, Why are we not fighting the Amarr. these questions are irrelevant, we are a capsuleer organisation in our own right and are not bound in any way by the politiical stances of the Minmatar Republic.

You interpreted the actions of another militia-related capsuleer organisation as reflecting an entire nation when it suited your purposes, but reject such when the same standard is applied to you.

What an excellent display of hypocrisy.

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Telling of what? Also this statement is completely factually untrue, and i suggest you do your homework more thoroughly in the future.

I believe he was referring to your headquarters location of BPK-XK V - Moon 20 - Archangels Logistic Support.

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Although your pedanticalness appears to know no bounds, replace the word slaughter with destroyed, perhaps that will sooth your need to resort to meaningless frivolities in hopes of winning an argument which you appear incapable of doing in the face of such sound argument and reasoning.

Sound argument and reasoning involves using the precise words you intend to capture your meaning rather than relying on hyperbole and sensationalism because you know that being flatly honest won't produce the results you want.

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Quite frankly, we do not like the idea of the Intaki people being protected by such murderous thugs as the Intaki Liberation Front, nor do we like the idea of living relatively near them. The Intaki People deserve better than you.

We are doing what must be done to ensure that the kind of unprovoked and merciless attacks such as that perpetrated against Miss Sparkles by the Intaki Liberation Front, can never occur again.

Yes quite, in fact we have destroyed many hundreds of such haulers already; and are continuing to do so. It is the Hope of Valkyr Industries that this will force the people to reject the Intaki Liberation Front and finally see them for the seething Ugly Thugs that they are.

One incident of destroying a target who was bumping and yellow-boxing a complete stranger in lawless space -and then graciously offering some compensation even though they didn't have to- marks the ILF as murderous thugs (again your hyperbole when you just finished admitting you needed to correct your terminology) and guilty of "unprovoked and merciless attacks." Meanwhile, you admit being guilty of destroying "many hundreds" of haulers. Further you admit to your intentions to use this violent campaign as a form of extortion against the Intaki people.

Who are the thugs, again?

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In fact, just this day passed, we have sent a message to the Intaki people living on Intaki prime, informing them of the horrendus crimes carried out in their name by the Intaki Liberation Front. Given the already present political discontent on the Planet concerning the perceived lack of ability of the Intaki Liberation Front to protect the Intaki system, or for that matter even attempt to do so these days; I think the Intaki people are ready for a revolution of their own.

Can you produce some evidence of this supposed discontent on the Intaki homeworld?

Why would they embrace the lies of pilots who just admitted to destroying their kin by the hundreds? Who previously slandered them as "snakes" and presumptuously assert their prerogative despite having lived here all of a month and being entirely ignorant of their culture, customs or the context of local conditions?

Saul Ambrye Executive Director Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict"

Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#40 - 2012-07-28 05:46:17 UTC
The war's over. I grew bored of it. See you later Intaki Liberation Front, we'll check in on you from time to time.
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