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The Complete and utter failure of our Golden Fleet

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Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#41 - 2012-07-26 18:56:16 UTC
Mr. Shogaatsu is of course right that this war is very much pointless on the surface, and that the Minmatar have yet to face the Amarr Navy. The only point of this war is to demoralize Amarr citizenry. Keep in mind that the "empire" is only just now becoming an empire again, it hasnt been a true empire since the times of Heideran VII and in the absence of an Emperor the Amarr have become weak, liberal and now seemingly pay lip service to their God by and large. They may have cheered at the return of their Dark Queen but I sense that when rubber hits the road, and it comes time to truely trade their new found freedoms, individuality and return to a harder, more pious life style they will call for the return of parliamentary rule.

The key turning point will be the inevitable reprisal of the Empress. If she succeeds then you are correct, she will have a reinvigorated, energized and devoted nation that will not only cripple, if not crush the Republic but also lay waste to much of New Eden as we know it. However, if we (the Minmatar) can, right out of the gate hit them hard enough to let them know that we broke their nose in the first swing, then the religious ferver will turn against the Empress.

We Free Nefantar have a fighting style that we have developed called Joten'hule based and streamlined on many Intaki, Caldari and Minmatar fighting styles. Its philosophy is to allow larger more powerful opponents to use their own size and strength against them. Grappling, using the enemes inertia as power to multiply the damage of a weak slap into thunderous back hands, dodging and weaving and generally allowing the enemy to become winded and then committing full on to an attack.

This of course is nothing new to the Minmatar, this is how we have always fought. We have historically been pack hunters and strike from shadows and returning to the shadows before a counter can be laid. But as you have pointed out, and correctly I might add, recently we have begun to adopt larger more "in your face" attitude to combat and I fear this may be a cause for concern, especially when the Tribal Liberation Forces are face with not 24th IG mobs but rather the Imperial Navy.
Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-07-26 20:46:21 UTC
I can tell you, right now, that it will take a LOT more than losses in the petty Faction War to cause the Empire to turn against the Empress. The Elders truly had no idea what kind of a weapon they forged for her when they launched their illegal and shortsighted attack into the Empire proper.

I imagine, as they fled in the smoking remains of their fleet, that they fancied she would turn that weapon upon them and pursue them to destruction, but instead she turned it upon her TRUE enemy. The Corruption of the Chancellor, which she swept away in glorious apotheosis.

I remain convinced that Empress Jamyl's restructuring and reshaping of the Empire is FAR from over.
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#43 - 2012-07-26 21:14:01 UTC
Ms. Mai, I applaud you on your beliefs, the world needs believers, though from my rather biased view less of the ones you represent. In your faith you see the Elders Invasion as a failure and indeed in many respects it was. What could have been a devastating raid was turned into a cluster .... because we saw one woman which we wished to kill and began to foam at the mouth instead of staying on task, however you discount the purge of parliament, the reunification of the Seven and the revelation that the Elders still existed.

True believers like you will of course never be swayed by one or one thousand battles, however true believers like you are a rarity in your nation now as made evident by the person who began this conversation's desire to bash the 24th for its lack of progress but his unwillingness to join the cause, the fact that PIE is now AWOL, Wolfsbrigade is allied with the Gallente and that the once mighty Empire, who would snub its nose at the likes of Mordu, Fatal and the Rabbit and all the other despot nations, now welcomes Nulli Secunda as their saviors. Your list of believers grows short my dear whilst the Elders Invasion, while a tactical blunder, has spawned legion within the Tribes.

So I say again, one good blow and all the weekend believers whom hail Sarum while revolt leaving only a handful of believers like yourself where as in the Tribes, we are all believers now.
Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-07-26 21:25:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaki Mai
I think it is a mistake to conflate the Capsuleers of the Empire with the people of the Empire. It is easy for lazy demi-gods to grow apathetic. I also think you mistake the apathy for the Faction War with apathy towards an invasion of the Empire's heartlands.

Your fury is certainly evident and I'm sure that many of your tribesmen and women share it. From my experience fighting pirates I know how easy it is to look the other way as Control Towers, Hab Units and other infrastructure are targetted and blown away. You may assume that the people of the Empire know what their fate would be should the Matari Militia gain access to Empire space.

Similarly, it is one thing for jaded and cosmopolitan Capsuleers or cynical Lords Holder to be dubious about Her Imperial Majesty's reformation of the Empire, but this is far from the way the Navy sees things, or the Theocracy. Personally I don't think that the Militia is the part of the Empire that is most in need of Reformation and if I see the Empire as being less obsessed with the Matari than the Matari seem to be with us, I don't think that's unhealthy on our part. Most of the most important work that needs to be done is within our own borders, right now.

I hope to see the Empire reforged before I see the Militia reforged.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-07-27 00:30:45 UTC
I believe the phrase all of you are looking for is "Panem Et Circenses." [ Bread and Circuses ]

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-07-27 03:20:23 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I believe the phrase all of you are looking for is "Panem Et Circenses." [ Bread and Circuses ]




That's a good phrase, but since the FW is more about the Elite, Capsuleers, and less about the great unwashed masses, perhaps it would be better to say "Filet Mignon and Opera"?
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-07-27 16:33:56 UTC
Amaki Mai wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I believe the phrase all of you are looking for is "Panem Et Circenses." [ Bread and Circuses ]




That's a good phrase, but since the FW is more about the Elite, Capsuleers, and less about the great unwashed masses, perhaps it would be better to say "Filet Mignon and Opera"?



You should take another look at the majority of militia pilots and reconsider your definition of "elite" and who the "unwashed masses" are.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-07-27 16:46:38 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

You should take another look at the majority of militia pilots and reconsider your definition of "elite" and who the "unwashed masses" are.


I'm not terribly familiar with the personal hygiene of militia pilots but I DID spend a number of summers on a farm as a child. I know what unwashed smells like.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#49 - 2012-07-27 17:33:16 UTC
Amaki Mai wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I believe the phrase all of you are looking for is "Panem Et Circenses." [ Bread and Circuses ]




That's a good phrase, but since the FW is more about the Elite, Capsuleers, and less about the great unwashed masses, perhaps it would be better to say "Filet Mignon and Opera"?


You are also mistaking who the faction war is aimed towards appeasing. The great masses called out that "something must be done", and recognizing that to actually do something would be to push the four empires into an unceasing war of destruction, they signed a treaty to make limited engagements involving capsuleer proxies the norm. This satisfies the baseliner braying in anger, and conveinently also keeps a large number of dangerous and violent capsuleers shooting something other than the home planets of the empires.

Too bad it costs so many lives.
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