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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1241 - 2012-07-27 12:17:28 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


If they have to throw away large amounts of Isk to kill you, then guess what. That's not broken.


In any other PvP game (expecially GW2) I can counter it with ease and then jab them in the face.

In EvE? No, one got his "prey" role and have to get the beating. Can't even reship and go punch them in the face because they flee like rabbits nor they attack this character (who got decent PvP skills) but alts in other corps.

I hope crimewatch will make me able to defend my alts and my friends.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1242 - 2012-07-27 12:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Mara Rinn wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Hi, Bat Country there. Some of them don't care about being cheap like you seem to be and will try use 3 Tornadoes against my Mack (as posted some posts of mine ago)


Hi, CCP Soundwave's design intention here, telling you that alpha ganking of brick hulks is 100% working as intended.

PS: I love your histrionics about flying high-tank Hulks instead of high yield Macks. Next time, make sure you spam d-scan. Bat


1) I make and sell Hulks, don't use them. I gun-mine.
2) Spamming d-scan is pointless when (like I posted) the guy scanned with cov ops and then brought 2 "uncharted" alts, aka not known & not added as contacts yet. As long as it was just one, no problem to tank him.

Edit: even in 3, no problem in fact he lost his nado and I lost nothing. Still does not justify the one sided amount off effort, tank and readiness (ice mining none the less) required just to make it out in one piece.

Me or you being the 1% who survive and avoid and blatantly mine in the middle of Hulkageddon don't rebalance the thousands who are less "ready" and get melted. If the bar has to be so high then CCP intervenes, too bad for you and me I suppose but that's the nature of MMOs.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#1243 - 2012-07-27 12:24:09 UTC
And you knew it was just one guy, not thee Tornadoes because …

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Pipa Porto
#1244 - 2012-07-27 12:25:49 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


If they have to throw away large amounts of Isk to kill you, then guess what. That's not broken.


In any other PvP game (expecially GW2) I can counter it with ease and then jab them in the face.

In EvE? No, one got his "prey" role and have to get the beating. Can't even reship and go punch them in the face because they flee like rabbits nor they attack this character (who got decent PvP skills) but alts in other corps.

I hope crimewatch will make me able to defend my alts and my friends.


Who cares about other PVP games?

In EVE, you get to choose what mechanics you want to fight under. Miners in HS choose to operate under mechanics that don't allow them to strike first or to effectively strike back. They choose that.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1245 - 2012-07-27 12:27:40 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
And you knew it was just one guy, not thee Tornadoes because …


I don't understand what you say.

The guy spent 8 hours killing peeps with a mix of catalysts, tornadoes, a mix of Amarr ships but all with 1 gank ship + 1 warp in ship. He switched to 3 just because of hot love for me.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1246 - 2012-07-27 12:29:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


If they have to throw away large amounts of Isk to kill you, then guess what. That's not broken.


In any other PvP game (expecially GW2) I can counter it with ease and then jab them in the face.

In EvE? No, one got his "prey" role and have to get the beating. Can't even reship and go punch them in the face because they flee like rabbits nor they attack this character (who got decent PvP skills) but alts in other corps.

I hope crimewatch will make me able to defend my alts and my friends.


Who cares about other PVP games?

In EVE, you get to choose what mechanics you want to fight under. Miners in HS choose to operate under mechanics that don't allow them to strike first or to effectively strike back. They choose that.


NP, come crimewatch maybe they'll have more options. More options is good.
While I sadly don't have the time to return pew pew-ing in EvE, I am not one to say no to an attacker response.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1247 - 2012-07-27 12:30:22 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I hope crimewatch will make me able to defend my alts and my friends.


you already can, you just need to grow your corp beyond your main and some random alt

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1248 - 2012-07-27 12:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I hope crimewatch will make me able to defend my alts and my friends.


you already can, you just need to grow your corp beyond your main and some random alt


Would love to, my EvE playtime ATM is about as much as to click PI and log off. In the future it can only shrink.

Helps fight the boredom, I can play so little that I can't get bored of EvE P

Edit: also, EvE ships PvP is not really what I hoped to be, I prefer less high level and meta battles and more circle strafing and nuking.

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JamesCLK
#1249 - 2012-07-27 12:35:06 UTC
You know... If you hide all the vv posts, this thread would effectively shrink by like 20 pages, and nothing would have been lost.
Obsessive Compulsive Posting much?

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Pipa Porto
#1250 - 2012-07-27 12:36:05 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


Who cares about other PVP games?

In EVE, you get to choose what mechanics you want to fight under. Miners in HS choose to operate under mechanics that don't allow them to strike first or to effectively strike back. They choose that.


NP, come crimewatch maybe they'll have more options. More options is good.
While I sadly don't have the time to return pew pew-ing in EvE, I am not one to say no to an attacker response.


Crimewatch so far is not going to affect suicide ganking at all (except by making loot pickups nearly impossible if there's anyone with a point nearby).

Since your mining fleet should already be in a corp together (you're friends, right?), you already had the option of grabbing the guy looting the Hulk wrecks. Oh, and if you decide you want to profit off the dead gankers, you're gonna get killed because you'll be a FFA target.

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-RubyPorto
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1251 - 2012-07-27 12:36:12 UTC
JamesCLK wrote:
You know... If you hide all the vv posts, this thread would effectively shrink by like 20 pages, and nothing would have been lost.
Obsessive Compulsive Posting much?



They are all in reply to people commenting my other posts. It's rude to not answer.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1252 - 2012-07-27 12:38:59 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


Who cares about other PVP games?

In EVE, you get to choose what mechanics you want to fight under. Miners in HS choose to operate under mechanics that don't allow them to strike first or to effectively strike back. They choose that.


NP, come crimewatch maybe they'll have more options. More options is good.
While I sadly don't have the time to return pew pew-ing in EvE, I am not one to say no to an attacker response.


Crimewatch so far is not going to affect suicide ganking at all (except by making loot pickups nearly impossible if there's anyone with a point nearby).

Since your mining fleet should already be in a corp together (you're friends, right?), you already had the option of grabbing the guy looting the Hulk wrecks. Oh, and if you decide you want to profit off the dead gankers, you're gonna get killed because you'll be a FFA target.


No, it's 3 corps. As for getting killed, it's not going to happen, all those guys around me got gifted exhumers, mods, got defended multiple times against suicide ganks, receive intel and links off me.

Also, ship happens, it means I'll make another ship. It means I'll only be able to plex for the next 9.95 years and not 10.

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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1253 - 2012-07-27 12:47:48 UTC
and the tears are still flowing. lol
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1254 - 2012-07-27 12:48:45 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
and the tears are still flowing. lol

i didn't know rote kapelle members hated PvP

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1255 - 2012-07-27 12:54:17 UTC
Sigh, I don't want to have 2 isk tri again. Unless they can fix the botting then I don't want this change. But if it still comes to 2 isk per unit I guess I'll just build my ships with my 2 guys.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1256 - 2012-07-27 12:56:25 UTC
nate555 wrote:
Sigh, I don't want to have 2 isk tri again. Unless they can fix the botting then I don't want this change. But if it still comes to 2 isk per unit I guess I'll just build my ships with my 2 guys.


no you see hulkageddon is irrelevant, despite the dip in hisec mining, the bleating by npc alts about sub numbers dropping, the 15000+ barge/exhumer body count, and something getting CCP's attention to make the wrong change to exhumers

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1257 - 2012-07-27 13:00:36 UTC
We'll just have to adapt by lowering suicide ganking & going on more safari's.

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Arec Bardwin
#1258 - 2012-07-27 13:09:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

They are all in reply to people commenting my other posts. It's rude to not answer.

Vaerah Vahrokha, I love you, but sooner or later you have to realize you're a goddamn moron.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#1259 - 2012-07-27 13:18:33 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.

Tell that to the triple-digit billions I've made from ganking haulers and freighters carrying ungodly amounts of crap without a second though given to defense. I can safely say that I've caused many of those people to quit in anger. But go ahead, "adjust the numbers" if you need help with your mortgage payments.

The point is, we're not going to stop ganking until you remove aggression in high-sec, which I'm sure you'll do within the next couple of years (it's the only logical conclusion to the gradual progression that's been going on). Until that happens, we'll continue doing what we do, either by using more people, or using different, valid game mechanics. All your actions are reactionary, and are only responses to the need for short-term subscription increases. Face the facts: we know more about this game than a whole lot of people currently in charge of maintaining it, and you guys are really regretting the whole "non-consensual pvp" thing in this here year 2012. If you really want that sub spike, stop beating around the bush with these gradual let-downs, and change the game in one fell swoop. At least that way you'll leave with a bang, and a nice bonus in the bank.


I think the difference is aside from the idiots hauling plexes in an iteron 1 most high value hauls are done in freighters or even jump freighters, those big unsighly things that have like 100k hull hp alone and therefore require more than just a throwaway catalyst to take down. Though you cant tank a freighter. A hulk can be tanked and if someone neglects to use thier mids accordingly then woe on them. Im sure the new mining ships will be easy to blow up if ppl still fail to fit tanks. It just means stepping up the overhead of the solo ganker, or enticing formation of gank squadrons of many ships
Big Bossu
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#1260 - 2012-07-27 13:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Bossu
Richard Desturned wrote:
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All I see here is 60+ pages of crying, because EVE isn't exactly like you want. Highsec already isn't some area where elite non-consensual pvp happens. I mean, it already isn't profitable to gank ravens, do you see that as a problem?

CCP has been pretty clear: 1. They want to boost miners. 2. Suicide ganking shouldn't be a profession, rather something only reserved for special cases. I see nothing gamebreaking with the coming changes.

Problems with 0.0 aren't located in highsec, just fyi.