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Inventing T2 BPC's (for sale?).
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Mr Cocojambo
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-27 08:11:39 UTC
Hi o/

I am quite new at inventing, but after reading a few guides etc i figured i had to try it out since i had some BPO's laying around gathering dust and my alt had just trained 8m sp in science.

So after inventing a few T2 bpc's for personal use, i figured i would try to make a redeemer bpc.. after a few days i had some 1 run-bpcs (me -4 pe -4), then i threw in some decryptors (war-something) to get more runs and ended up with a few 5 runs (-5 me -2pe).

NOW, here comes the question... What would the sale-value of these 5 run Redeemer bpc's be?
I see there is some 1 run bpc's (-4/-4) on contracts for 250m, but that could very well be extremely overpriced (or scam) for all i know since this is a completely new area for me.

Thanks in advance to anyone bothering to give me a usefull answer :)
Pipa Porto
#2 - 2012-07-27 08:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Work out what the profit would be to produce the Redeemer before factoring BPC costs (invention, etc). You probably shouldn't price it higher than that.

Anyway, most people Invent and Build, so the T2 BPC market's usually pretty slow (though I don't know anything specifically about the Redeemer market).

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General Koen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-27 08:22:11 UTC
There's a easy way to figure this out yourself. not only for this bpc but for all.

-Look at the t2 item cost.
-take off 1% of the t2 item. (market tax)
-calculate the material prices and detract it from t2 price.

Now you have the profit one would make if you would make it with free bpc's. Now detract about 5-10% (profit for the manufact off the original t2 item price and you have yourself the bpc price.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#4 - 2012-07-27 09:17:09 UTC
Details for that BPC
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/22428/-5/5/0/5

So, by the looks of it, around -275 million. (i.e, you pay someone else to take them).

At current market prices, you'd be losing around 55 million per ship, on materials.

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Pipa Porto
#5 - 2012-07-27 09:29:05 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Details for that BPC
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/22428/-5/5/0/5

So, by the looks of it, around -275 million. (i.e, you pay someone else to take them).

At current market prices, you'd be losing around 55 million per ship, on materials.


Use the right Decryptor and you can keep the loss down to 116m Isk/hull.

BLOPs are one of the T2 items that have a small enough demand that the supply is filled by BPOs at a pretty pitiable profit (150k Isk/hr assuming ME100/PE100), which means that BPO production is oversupplying BLOPs atm (which makes sense, since not many people fly them, and they're not lost very often).

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Steve Ronuken
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#6 - 2012-07-27 09:39:06 UTC
Assuming you're using a Formation Layout decryptor, and have perfect skills, You /should/ be able to turn a profit (assuming it'll sell) That decryptor modified the ME to -1
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/22428/-1/5/0/5



That's:

20 million for the datacores, for 1 successful invention.
20 (odd) million for the decryptor. I'm seeing these at 5 million each on eve-central, and with a 25% success rate, you'll average 4 for every success.

So 40 million.


And I'm seeing a margin (on materials alone) of around 117 million. so around 77 million profit.

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Pipa Porto
#7 - 2012-07-27 09:50:02 UTC
Looks like I was running off the assumption that you built all the components. (And possibly non-updated market data for IPH Oops)

Looks like about 180m in profit if you can buy all components at buy order prices (I think, I'm still trying to get IPH to import prices the way I want it to).

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Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#8 - 2012-07-27 09:51:05 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:

BLOPs are one of the T2 items that have a small enough demand that the supply is filled by BPOs at a pretty pitiable profit (150k Isk/hr assuming ME100/PE100), which means that BPO production is oversupplying BLOPs atm (which makes sense, since not many people fly them, and they're not lost very often).


Black Ops have no BPOs.

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Pipa Porto
#9 - 2012-07-27 09:53:29 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:

BLOPs are one of the T2 items that have a small enough demand that the supply is filled by BPOs at a pretty pitiable profit (150k Isk/hr assuming ME100/PE100), which means that BPO production is oversupplying BLOPs atm (which makes sense, since not many people fly them, and they're not lost very often).


Black Ops have no BPOs.


Huh. Looking it up, I guess they wouldn't, having been introduced a year after invention. Ooops.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-27 10:14:53 UTC
Mr Cocojambo wrote:
Hi o/

I am quite new at inventing, but after reading a few guides etc i figured i had to try it out since i had some BPO's laying around gathering dust and my alt had just trained 8m sp in science.

So after inventing a few T2 bpc's for personal use, i figured i would try to make a redeemer bpc.. after a few days i had some 1 run-bpcs (me -4 pe -4), then i threw in some decryptors (war-something) to get more runs and ended up with a few 5 runs (-5 me -2pe).

NOW, here comes the question... What would the sale-value of these 5 run Redeemer bpc's be?
I see there is some 1 run bpc's (-4/-4) on contracts for 250m, but that could very well be extremely overpriced (or scam) for all i know since this is a completely new area for me.

Thanks in advance to anyone bothering to give me a usefull answer :)


I don't think you can make much profit of that bpc, the -5me make it to expensive to produce the ships compared to invention costs.

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Mr Cocojambo
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-07-27 11:36:25 UTC
Thanks for all the answers.. Its a bit confusing since there so many different answers, so i better dig deep into the guides and do some math on my own :)

But in general i have concluded (so far):
• Not a big market for redeemer-bpc's in general
• Better with decryptors which gives better ME than the ones giving more runs.
• I gotta learn a lot more around this topic Blink

One of my alts do fly a Redeemer, so i guess i can build a few for that char with the bpc's i got.. and just save the rest until i start loosing them.
Pipa Porto
#12 - 2012-07-27 11:49:32 UTC
Mr Cocojambo wrote:
One of my alts do fly a Redeemer, so i guess i can build a few for that char with the bpc's i got.. and just save the rest until i start loosing them.


TBH, I think it will cost you more ISK to build off of those BPCs than it will to buy one off the market.

As for the rest, it's all math and spreadsheets.

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