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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1181 - 2012-07-27 09:09:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Yes. Is there a part you didn't understand?


the hulk will have 15k ehp without fitting a tank at all

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1182 - 2012-07-27 09:09:38 UTC
Ok, for Minnie cruisers because they have other ways to get away.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1183 - 2012-07-27 09:11:38 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Ok, for Minnie cruisers because they have other ways to get away.


yes we should just give exhumers the agility and speed of a dramiel, the tank of a brick damnation and the mining yield of a hulk just because

i guess a damnation should be able to mine just like a hulk then, because it's expensive too

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1184 - 2012-07-27 09:15:42 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Ok, for Minnie cruisers because they have other ways to get away.


yes we should just give exhumers the agility and speed of a dramiel, the tank of a brick damnation and the mining yield of a hulk just because

i guess a damnation should be able to mine just like a hulk then, because it's expensive too


You forgot neuting power of Curse. Because neuts are the modules that seperates Minmatar from inferior races.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1185 - 2012-07-27 09:19:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Ok, for Minnie cruisers because they have other ways to get away.


yes we should just give exhumers the agility and speed of a dramiel, the tank of a brick damnation and the mining yield of a hulk just because

i guess a damnation should be able to mine just like a hulk then, because it's expensive too


You forgot neuting power of Curse. Because neuts are the modules that seperates Minmatar from inferior races.


the curse is an amarr ship

i thought the gold plated hull and "amarr cruiser" requirement would give that away

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Tarassse
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1186 - 2012-07-27 09:25:44 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
with crimewatch, ganking idiots who officer fit their mission ships and carry 20 plexes in shuttles will mean that your mule alt will have to deal with being shot at by dudes with neutral logis that you can't shoot at

and you can't really kill that proteus yourself because, well, it's basically you vs everyone in hisec, and his RR alt that you can't shoot will keep him from dying


Your griefer tears are exquisite. Please go on, goon scum.

Btw, U MAD? Big smile
Dave stark
#1187 - 2012-07-27 09:27:24 UTC
Tarassse wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
with crimewatch, ganking idiots who officer fit their mission ships and carry 20 plexes in shuttles will mean that your mule alt will have to deal with being shot at by dudes with neutral logis that you can't shoot at

and you can't really kill that proteus yourself because, well, it's basically you vs everyone in hisec, and his RR alt that you can't shoot will keep him from dying


Your griefer tears are exquisite. Please go on, goon scum.

Btw, U MAD? Big smile


oh look, a goon posted! let's skip over the entire point and just call it tears.
sigh...
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1188 - 2012-07-27 09:28:01 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
the curse is an amarr ship

i thought the gold plated hull and "amarr cruiser" requirement would give that away


Original design is from Minmatar scientists.

Even Rupture can solo two Prophecies...
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1189 - 2012-07-27 09:31:27 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
It's just another nail in the coffin.... im not interested in experiencing another Ultima Online Trammel amputation in EvE. I will never go thru that experience again, it's just too painfull.

Sad times we live, the last true old school sandbox mmo being is ripped apart. Even the forums have been "trammelized".


First of all it's not "the last true old school sandbox MMO".

Second, EvE is dying since 2003 and also being Trammel-ized since they made CONCORD un-tankable, added warp to zero and nerfed nano boats. Long live EvE!

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1190 - 2012-07-27 09:33:48 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Second, EvE is dying since 2003 and also being Trammel-ized since they made CONCORD un-tankable, added warp to zero and nerfed nano boats. Long live EvE!


no, Crimewatch IS effectively Trammelizing it considering that they're doing literally everything they can do discourage suicide ganks even on those who decide that a shuttle is the best way to move 70 PLEX around.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1191 - 2012-07-27 09:35:07 UTC
Tarassse wrote:
Your griefer tears are exquisite. Please go on, goon scum.

Btw, U MAD? Big smile


You should go play another MMO if you want to safely PvE in a designated safe zone.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1192 - 2012-07-27 09:35:18 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Second, EvE is dying since 2003 and also being Trammel-ized since they made CONCORD un-tankable, added warp to zero and nerfed nano boats. Long live EvE!


no, Crimewatch IS effectively Trammelizing it considering that they're doing literally everything they can do discourage suicide ganks even on those who decide that a shuttle is the best way to move 70 PLEX around.


How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#1193 - 2012-07-27 09:39:38 UTC
Man, I blew up in shuttle once in low sec. My only kill in several years of game time. .......... and damn, it was worth every second. Hahahahahahaha. I showed that autopiloting moron. Cool

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1194 - 2012-07-27 09:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
dexington wrote:
How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle?


It's not going to stop you from blowing it up, just from making it worth your while. It's going to equalize response times in all of hisec, so system sec is absolutely irrelevant. Killing anything will mean that you'll be chased by faction navies because your sec status will instantly go -5. Anyone can shoot you for looting a wreck or can - not just members of the player corporation "owning" that wreck/can.

That isn't a "reasonable consequence," that's a complete and total nerf to virtually all PvP in hisec that takes place outside of dumb ~honour fights~ and wardecs.

"Cold and harsh universe" my aching ass. Trammel.

Oh, and "risk/reward?" They're rebuffing incursions and nullsec is taking another nerf.

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DrSmegma
Smegma United
#1195 - 2012-07-27 09:42:46 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
dexington wrote:
How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle?


It's not going to stop you from blowing it up, just from making it worth your while. It's going to equalize response times in all of hisec, so system sec is absolutely irrelevant. Killing anything will mean that you'll be chased by faction navies because your sec status will instantly go -5. Anyone can shoot you for looting a wreck or can - not just members of the player corporation "owning" that wreck/can.

That isn't a "reasonable consequence," that's a complete and total nerf to virtually all PvP in hisec that takes place outside of dumb ~honour fights~ and wardecs.

"Cold and harsh universe" my aching ass. Trammel.


Excuse me. Did I miss anything? Is that actually going to be implemented?

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1196 - 2012-07-27 09:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
DrSmegma wrote:
Excuse me. Did I miss anything? Is that actually going to be implemented?


Not to mention that the dudes shooting you can bring all the RR and ships they want, and you literally won't be able to RR yourself at all.

Piracy will still be possible, but it will simply be a full-time job that nobody will bother with. Or they'll figure something out and CCP will nerf that. vOv

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Manar Detri
#1197 - 2012-07-27 09:47:09 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
dexington wrote:
How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle?


It's not going to stop you from blowing it up, just from making it worth your while. It's going to equalize response times in all of hisec, so system sec is absolutely irrelevant. Killing anything will mean that you'll be chased by faction navies because your sec status will instantly go -5. Anyone can shoot you for looting a wreck or can - not just members of the player corporation "owning" that wreck/can.

That isn't a "reasonable consequence," that's a complete and total nerf to virtually all PvP in hisec that takes place outside of dumb ~honour fights~ and wardecs.

"Cold and harsh universe" my aching ass. Trammel.

Oh, and "risk/reward?" They're rebuffing incursions and nullsec is taking another nerf.


The tears are strong in this one. Nothings set in stone and you cry like a baby already.
That aside, it was plain stupid that you can gank a mining ship with a few catalysts, even if it was tanked to hell and back. You do know that the amoutn of tank you can fit in a mining ship is very little. You are basicly crying that you no longer can kill something with just one ship, you actually need some more team effort in it. Funny right, team effort in an mmo, must come as a shocker.
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#1198 - 2012-07-27 09:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DrSmegma
Manar Detri wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
dexington wrote:
How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle?


It's not going to stop you from blowing it up, just from making it worth your while. It's going to equalize response times in all of hisec, so system sec is absolutely irrelevant. Killing anything will mean that you'll be chased by faction navies because your sec status will instantly go -5. Anyone can shoot you for looting a wreck or can - not just members of the player corporation "owning" that wreck/can.

That isn't a "reasonable consequence," that's a complete and total nerf to virtually all PvP in hisec that takes place outside of dumb ~honour fights~ and wardecs.

"Cold and harsh universe" my aching ass. Trammel.

Oh, and "risk/reward?" They're rebuffing incursions and nullsec is taking another nerf.


The tears are strong in this one. Nothings set in stone and you cry like a baby already.
That aside, it was plain stupid that you can gank a mining ship with a few catalysts, even if it was tanked to hell and back. You do know that the amoutn of tank you can fit in a mining ship is very little. You are basicly crying that you no longer can kill something with just one ship, you actually need some more team effort in it. Funny right, team effort in an mmo, must come as a shocker.


Sounds like I need 6-10 friends who just keep making new trial accounts. Great gameplay. I'm glad CCP finally found a permanent solution to the suckiness that is their sec system.

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1199 - 2012-07-27 09:52:03 UTC
Manar Detri wrote:
The tears are strong in this one. Nothings set in stone and you cry like a baby already.


I don't care if the finer points aren't yet set in stone. Even if it isn't implemented, it's indicative of CCP trying to convince themselves that they are not "Trammelizing" the game because you "can still technically engage somebody in hisec but we want to discourage it as much as possible."

Manar Detri wrote:
That aside, it was plain stupid that you can gank a mining ship with a few catalysts, even if it was tanked to hell and back.


It takes more than a few Catalysts to gank a mining ship in 0.7 space and above. In 0.8 and above, you will need alpha.


Manar Detri wrote:
You do know that the amoutn of tank you can fit in a mining ship is very little.


https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpg

Manar Detri wrote:
You are basicly crying that you no longer can kill something with just one ship, you actually need some more team effort in it. Funny right, team effort in an mmo, must come as a shocker.


As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay?

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Pipa Porto
#1200 - 2012-07-27 09:56:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
the curse is an amarr ship

i thought the gold plated hull and "amarr cruiser" requirement would give that away


Original design is from Minmatar scientists.

Even Rupture can solo two Prophecies...


Sure, if they're terribly piloted.

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