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Myz Toyou Nekkid Inc. Likes received: 169	#1161 - 2012-07-27 08:48:17 UTC baltec1 wrote: All we are going to get out of this are fleets of untouchable mining bots and a massive market crash in low end ore just when it became worth mining. +1 Can`t wait to salvage the tears from miners whining on these forums about their bad isk/hour ratio.

Richard Desturned

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#1162 - 2012-07-27 08:49:53 UTC

Myz Toyou wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

All we are going to get out of this are fleets of untouchable mining bots and a massive market crash in low end ore just when it became worth mining.

+1

Can`t wait to salvage the tears from miners whining on these forums about their bad isk/hour ratio.

you'll still get the "MY HULK got blown up this is totally unfair why did my AFK untanked ship get killed in 0.5" threads because 15k ehp hulks can still be ganked with ease

on top of that you'll also see "WHY IS HISEC MINING SO UNPROFITABLE NOW REMEMBER WHEN VELDSPAR MINING NETTED 30M ISK/HR" threads

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Vaerah Vahrokha

Vahrokh Consulting

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#1163 - 2012-07-27 08:50:50 UTC | Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

End result: the mythical 22K EHP Mack apparently miners have to use or are "stupid pigs", everything both cargo and yield sacrificed for tank.

I'm going to go out on a limb here & say that you never thought of staggering your ice harvester cycles.

Achieving what? Besides being easily flagged as a bot.

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Dave stark

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#1164 - 2012-07-27 08:51:40 UTC

Myz Toyou wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

All we are going to get out of this are fleets of untouchable mining bots and a massive market crash in low end ore just when it became worth mining.

+1

Can`t wait to salvage the tears from miners whining on these forums about their bad isk/hour ratio.

nobody will care about the isk/hour ratio. minerals are used to build things. if it takes 4 hours of mining to buy something now, it'll take 4 hours after a market crash. infact, with tech nerfs and tech 2 possibly coming down in price, miners are in a better position. [as is every one else]

miners are largely unaffected by mineral prices going up and down in terms of buying and selling; it takes the same amount of time mining to buy things before and after. i made the point ages ago with the cost of a hulk.

then, 3.4isk/unit trit, 130m hulk.
now, 6.5isk/unit trit, 250m hulk.

isk/hour really doesn't matter that much.

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#1165 - 2012-07-27 08:53:14 UTC | Edited by: Jorma Morkkis

Richard Desturned wrote:

because, as we've seen from posts, they actually want PvP removed from hisec, see all of the "well if u wan2 pvp u shuld go 2 low or null bc hi is 4 pve only" crap

Where did I say I'm against pvp in hisec?

There's actual pvp corps in hisec that don't do it for griefing, just to get their pewpew. I'm not against that at all.
I'm not against ganking stupid haulers (20 PLEXes in shuttle and so on, you get the point).
I'm not against ganking officer fit mission ship in hisec (it's just pure stupidity)...
I'm not against ganking Hulks with cargo rigs and cargohold expanders (very bad combination)...

Do you get the point?


Richard Desturned Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,853	#1166 - 2012-07-27 08:53:25 UTC Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Achieving what? Besides being easily flagged as a bot. so you're admitting that you bot npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Richard Desturned

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#1167 - 2012-07-27 08:55:44 UTC | Edited by: Richard Desturned

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

with crimewatch, ganking idiots who officer fit their mission ships and carry 20 plexes in shuttles will mean that your mule alt will have to deal with being shot at by dudes with neutral logis that you can't shoot at

and you can't really kill that proteus yourself because, well, it's basically you vs everyone in hisec, and his RR alt that you can't shoot will keep him from dying

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#1168 - 2012-07-27 08:58:27 UTC

Richard Desturned wrote:

EVE Online is MMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game).


Richard Desturned Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,853	#1169 - 2012-07-27 09:00:13 UTC Jorma Morkkis wrote: EVE Online is MMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game). oh and if you bring your own RR alt everyone in hisec will be able to shoot that you must love this, considering that you want all nonconsensual PvP eliminated from hisec npc alts have no opinions worth consideration


Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting Likes received: 5,809	#1170 - 2012-07-27 09:00:26 UTC Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Achieving what? Besides being easily flagged as a bot. so you're admitting that you bot No, if you ALT TAB and stagger ice miners you appear to be a bot. In the logs you'll appear doing multiple staggered things in close time frames across multiple accounts. EvE Online portal \| EvE markets tutorials

Pipa Porto

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#1171 - 2012-07-27 09:00:51 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Pipa Porto wrote:

2. Never said it couldn't. Just that it can't be profitably tanked (something that you disagreed with, ad nauseaum in another thread).

What? I don't even... Lol

Keep throwing those Catalysts at my Hulk one at a time and I'm sure I can make some profit out of it.

Slight typo. Can't be profitably Ganked.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Pipa Porto wrote:

2) Even if that were true, what's the problem?

You say it can be tanked to make profitable ganking impossible. Two T1 gank fit Catalysts can destroy it in 0.5 even with maximum tank (15k EHP).

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1595540#post1595540

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

All it takes to gank tanked Hulk in 0.5 is two Catalysts (~30 million ISK).

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565883#post1565883

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Richard Desturned

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#1172 - 2012-07-27 09:01:33 UTC

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

No, if you ALT TAB and stagger ice miners you appear to be a bot. In the logs you'll appear doing multiple staggered things in close time frames across multiple accounts.

the only ones who should worry about being flagged as botters are, well, botters

believe it or not Sreegs and the GMs are aware that isboxer exists

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

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Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom Likes received: 1,499	#1173 - 2012-07-27 09:05:01 UTC It's just another nail in the coffin.... im not interested in experiencing another Ultima Online Trammel amputation in EvE. I will never go thru that experience again, it's just too painfull. Sad times we live, the last true old school sandbox mmo being is ripped apart. Even the forums have been "trammelized". The Tears Must Flow


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#1174 - 2012-07-27 09:05:53 UTC Way to take that 15k EHP out of context... You were claiming Hulk is T1 cruiser. Avg. EHP for T1 cruiser is around 10k-15k EHP.


Richard Desturned Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,853	#1175 - 2012-07-27 09:06:36 UTC Jorma Morkkis wrote: Way to take that 15k EHP out of context... You were claiming Hulk is T1 cruiser. Avg. EHP for T1 cruiser is around 10k-15k EHP. with a tank fitted npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Vaerah Vahrokha

Vahrokh Consulting

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#1176 - 2012-07-27 09:07:36 UTC

Richard Desturned wrote:

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

No, if you ALT TAB and stagger ice miners you appear to be a bot. In the logs you'll appear doing multiple staggered things in close time frames across multiple accounts.

the only ones who should worry about being flagged as botters are, well, botters

believe it or not Sreegs and the GMs are aware that isboxer exists

With 2 months petition queues on some topics, better being safe than sorry. Also, no need to use stinky isboxer, even when 5 box full glass cannon missioning... "EvE is hard".

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Richard Desturned

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#1177 - 2012-07-27 09:07:44 UTC

Vaju Enki wrote:

It's just another nail in the coffin.... im not interested in experiencing another Ultima Online Trammel amputation in EvE. I will never go thru that experience again, it's just too painfull.

Sad times we live, the last true old school sandbox mmo being is ripped apart. Even the forums have been "trammelized".

"but it's not Trammel because you can still shoot people in hisec but you'll just die instantly to a death ray that equalizes response times in 1.0 and 0.5 and we're discouraging it as much as possible!"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#1178 - 2012-07-27 09:07:46 UTC Richard Desturned wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Way to take that 15k EHP out of context... You were claiming Hulk is T1 cruiser. Avg. EHP for T1 cruiser is around 10k-15k EHP. with a tank fitted Yes. Is there a part you didn't understand?

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Alpheias Tactical Farmers. Pandemic Horde Likes received: 9,004	#1179 - 2012-07-27 09:08:12 UTC OP is seriously ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord. Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.