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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1141 - 2012-07-27 08:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
And if you don't insure your ship you're doing it wrong.


feel free to go suicide gank something in an insured ship

hint: there's a reason people don't use brutixes anymore

also a T2 fit catalyst costs a good 15M

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1142 - 2012-07-27 08:27:29 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
also fyi that doesn't pay for 3 T2 fit catalysts


3 * 11M = 33M

And if you don't insure your ship you're doing it wrong.


Concord destroyed ships don't payout insurance, do they?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1143 - 2012-07-27 08:27:37 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
This alone makes feel the pilot wasted training weeks for nothing and with such a loss in performance the other ships WILL out-do it so hard that they will repay their lower survivability in few days.


since they pay for themselves, and then some, in a yield fit, what's the problem?


Not a problem. Just showing the high skills, "overtank" fits spewed for all these months are just inefficient and provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway.

For me it was money well spent learning the overtank way was so sub-optimal, I wanted to adopt a middle range solution for the next time I'll mine (prolly in a year) but then the new mining ships overhaul devblog appeared. So I'll check what real world functional fittings will exist after the patch.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1144 - 2012-07-27 08:29:14 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway.


because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1145 - 2012-07-27 08:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Richard Desturned wrote:
also a T2 fit catalyst costs a good 15M


You probably want to produce some of the modules by yourself if you get that bad deals from your supplier.

If you already do, stop inventing and get BPO.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1146 - 2012-07-27 08:31:41 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway.


because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you


then don't do it... you are not being forced to suicide gank miners, go shoot at players in low or null for free.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1147 - 2012-07-27 08:31:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
also a T2 fit catalyst costs a good 15M


You probably want to produce some of the modules by yourself if you get that bad deals from your supplier.


yeah if you think that gankers have a fully operational t2 production chain, well

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1148 - 2012-07-27 08:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
dexington wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway.


because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you


then don't do it... you are not being forced to suicide gank miners, go shoot at players in low or null for free.


are you pretending not to understand context?

if not, let me help you

WE ARE DISCUSSING EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, THAT IS, THE STATE YOU CONSIDER "WEAK", FIT FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING THEMSELVES UNPROFITABLE TO GANK

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1149 - 2012-07-27 08:33:01 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway.


because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you


1 ISK given away to an hostile is 1 ISK too many.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1150 - 2012-07-27 08:33:16 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
yeah if you think that gankers have a fully operational t2 production chain, well


What's talk about "we don't need miners because we can produce our own ships and modules by ourselves"?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1151 - 2012-07-27 08:33:39 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway.


because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you


1 ISK given away to an hostile is 1 ISK too many.


wow with that attitude you might as well not do anything in this game at all

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1152 - 2012-07-27 08:34:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
What's talk about "we don't need miners because we can produce our own ships and modules by ourselves"?


now you're just making crap up lol

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1153 - 2012-07-27 08:36:42 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
now you're just making crap up lol


Nope.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1154 - 2012-07-27 08:37:32 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
WE ARE DISCUSSING EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, FIT FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING THEMSELVES UNPROFITABLE TO GANK


EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, ARE GANKED JUST FOR THE LOLZ OF WATCHING PEOPLE CRY OVER LOSING A 250M SHIP

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1155 - 2012-07-27 08:38:15 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway.


because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you


1 ISK given away to an hostile is 1 ISK too many.


wow with that attitude you might as well not do anything in this game at all


It's the same attitude that in WAR nets me 40 kills zero deaths in an evening and that lets me get blasphemously rich in EvE with no loss.

I feel just fine doing it.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1156 - 2012-07-27 08:41:57 UTC
dexington wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
WE ARE DISCUSSING EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, FIT FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING THEMSELVES UNPROFITABLE TO GANK


EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, ARE GANKED JUST FOR THE LOLZ OF WATCHING PEOPLE CRY OVER LOSING A 250M SHIP


yeah

except it's a lot less of a pain to gank the untanked hulk next to your well-tanked one

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1157 - 2012-07-27 08:42:02 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
End result: the mythical 22K EHP Mack apparently miners have to use or are "stupid pigs", everything both cargo and yield sacrificed for tank.


I'm going to go out on a limb here & say that you never thought of staggering your ice harvester cycles.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1158 - 2012-07-27 08:42:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
now you're just making crap up lol


Nope.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626


please quote the part where he said that gankers produce all of their ships and modules from scratch

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1159 - 2012-07-27 08:46:07 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
please quote the part where he said that gankers produce all of their ships and modules from scratch


Read posts from other gankers in that thread. James is lord of EVE so he doesn't need to explain his thoughts.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1160 - 2012-07-27 08:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
please quote the part where he said that gankers produce all of their ships and modules from scratch


Read posts from other gankers in that thread. James is lord of EVE so doesn't need to explain his thoughts.


no please feel free to point them out because i can't be bothered to read through all of that pubbie drivel about how wrong he is for saying that miners and their ilk want all PvP removed from hisec

because, as we've seen from posts, they actually want PvP removed from hisec, see all of the "well if u wan2 pvp u shuld go 2 low or null bc hi is 4 pve only" crap

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