EVE General Discussion

Confirmed, your survey scanner has to be on your hulk for it to work.

Of course it doesn't. But here's you being intentionally obtuse again.

No, it wasn't. Keep lying profusely.

and gankers are special snowflakes who should not be burdened with difficult decisions like "picking the right target"

I have never said a Hulk can't be ganked. To the contrary, as a rebuttal to the assertion that "they'll just bring another ship," I've pointed out that that's true of a Damnation (can reache ~1.7m EHP in HS vs Quake), but we don't consider the Damnation to be weak, because properly tanked, it's unprofitable.

A Hulk, properly fit, cannot be profitably ganked in HS. In Higher sec bands, the loss becomes quite large.

I have never claimed that it can't be ganked, just that it cannot be ganked profitably, unless the owner fails to take adequate steps to protect his property (which can include steps other than tank, btw).

I thought you said 0.0 was perfectly safe?

You don't need to use one at all. Your lasers don't break if they run out of ore mid-cycle, do they? Nope. It's a yield module fitted at the expense of tank.

Why would the Orca be 70-80km from the Hulk?

Ah, so only if you have a large number of people working together towards a common goal.

I wonder what would happen if HS miners made any attempt to work together...

10 Hulks worth of ECM Drones would shut down any DPS gank attempt. Or you could spiderweb and be aligned. Or any number of other options.

Hell, 2 Hulks worth of ECM drones would all but guarantee that a gank attempt would fail or be radically unprofitable. And spider webbing works with 2 ships.

Mining ships were poorly balanced. Most of them had useless bonuses and poor designs and were rarely used. And because, in case you hadn't noticed, CCP is working through most of their ship lineup to re-balance them and give them meaningful roles and stats.



Because it can't do it's job properly without it. Like it or not, the Survey Scanner is a vital piece of equipment to the miner. It's why you find them on every one that is ganked. Why should the Hulk pilot be forced to sacrifice a piece of equipment that is vital to it's role? Why should it be the only class of ship, or mining ships in general for that matter, that is forced to sacrifice all of it's essential tools to maximize it's tank and still be vulnerable to low-cost, profitable ganks? It makes no sense.

let me list these steps

1) ECM drones - requires a very minor sacrifice (can't use mining drones) but can easily mean the difference between a gank attempt succeeding or otherwise. somewhat AFK friendly as you can have them out on aggressive mode with focused fire.

2) mining aligned - unbonused strip miners have a 15km range, with orca bonuses that goes up to 22km, mindlinked to 25km - disadvantage is that you might be observed and the gank attempt may take place while you realign - but it'd have to be very well-timed. not terribly AFK friendly unless you have a stopwatch on your desk.

3) fitting a brick tank - if you specifically tank for Catalysts (meta 4 MSE, invuln, kinetic hardener, thermic hardener), you can easily get close to 50k EHP against blasters, which is nothing to shake a stick at. requires relevant fitting skills at V and a genolution set (which is cheap) and a +1% PG implant (which is laughably cheap) - oh and this EHP figure doesn't involve a T3 bonus, it involves fitting an unbonused shield resist ganglink on an orca - but if you're curious, it's 57k EHP against blasters with Tengu bonuses, 42k without any bonuses

4) mining in probed sites. gankers really aren't inclined to look for you in a grav site (unless they're actually miners who want to take the site from you, I guess)

there's more but I really can't be bothered