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Herr Hammer Draken
#941 - 2012-07-27 03:47:48 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
you guys that bored cuss you won 0.0?

how about you break the circle jerk and have some fun with your "allies"


why do you want a risk-free hisec

tell me that


Wow what an over statement.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#942 - 2012-07-27 03:50:22 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Wow what an over statement.


let's see

crimewatch, which will prevent you from ganking a freighter or an officer-fit faction battleship because otherwise looting it means that anyone can shoot you and bring all the neutral RR they want and you can't shoot at their RR

this unnecessary change catering to afk miners who feel entitled to profit while only alt-tabbing from their movie to move ore to their orcas

yeah, welcome to a risk-free hisec. a new game enhancement - err, experience!

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#943 - 2012-07-27 03:51:27 UTC
"but hisec isn't going to be totally risk-free because we might still die to rats" heh

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Herr Hammer Draken
#944 - 2012-07-27 03:56:46 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
They are supposed to cost more to gank than they cost to replace when fitted for their role.


hint: they're not going to cost more to replace than what it costs to gank them even after 1.1


Poor choice of words. The ganker is not supposed to be able to profit from killing miners when fitted for their role.
They are not war ships never intended to be war ships. But after this change I can see them getting used for some war ship type roles. Again unintended for EVE but then that never stopped most of the posters in this thread.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#945 - 2012-07-27 04:01:02 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Wow what an over statement.


let's see

crimewatch, which will prevent you from ganking a freighter or an officer-fit faction battleship because otherwise looting it means that anyone can shoot you and bring all the neutral RR they want and you can't shoot at their RR

this unnecessary change catering to afk miners who feel entitled to profit while only alt-tabbing from their movie to move ore to their orcas

yeah, welcome to a risk-free hisec. a new game enhancement - err, experience!



ah goons :) the very definition of hubris and prima donna

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#946 - 2012-07-27 04:02:22 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
"but hisec isn't going to be totally risk-free because we might still die to rats" heh


Yeah, I was confused as to what miners were referring to when they said that mining with a 100K EHP Skiff was 'low-risk activity'.

I was sitting there trying to figure out where the 'low' risk was coming from.....

it was the high-sec belt rats, thats what it was.

Oh wait - belt rats aren't even strong enough to crack the passive regen of an AFK skiff.

So what makes it 'low' risk activity as opposed to virtually 'no-risk' activity?

-Accidentally hitting the self destruction button and not noticing it?

-Accidentally ejecting and someone jacks your Skiff?

-Someone flipping your can? Oh wait, you don't need cans anymore.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#947 - 2012-07-27 04:04:08 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
"but hisec isn't going to be totally risk-free because we might still die to rats" heh


Yeah, I was confused as to what miners were referring to when they said that mining with a 100K EHP Skiff was 'low-risk activity'.

I was sitting there trying to figure out where the 'low' risk was coming from.....

it was the high-sec belt rats, thats what it was.

Oh wait - belt rats aren't even strong enough to crack the passive regen of an AFK skiff.

So what makes it 'low' risk activity as opposed to virtually 'no-risk' activity?

-Accidentally hitting the self destruction button and not noticing it?

-Accidentally ejecting and someone jacks your Skiff?

-Someone flipping your can? Oh wait, you don't need cans anymore.




i dunno maybe wardecs?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#948 - 2012-07-27 04:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Poor choice of words. The ganker is not supposed to be able to profit from killing miners when fitted for their role.
They are not war ships never intended to be war ships. But after this change I can see them getting used for some war ship type roles. Again unintended for EVE but then that never stopped most of the posters in this thread.


for one, there's no way of enforcing a "minimum" cost to gank something because if it requires the DPS of, say, a vindicator, you can do it with 6 catalysts which come at a fraction of the cost

however, I do agree that you shouldn't be able to profitably gank, say, a t2 fit exhumer considering that you can't really profitably gank a t2 fit mission boat, but if you're looking at a mackinaw with, say, aoede MLUs and ore strip miners, then there is no way that you shouldn't be able to gank it for a profit because it's blatantly a loot pinata

exhumer ganking wasn't profitable before this, however, because we had to pay out rewards to get dudes to gank exhumers

just like a faction/deadspace fit tengu, just like an officer-fit nightmare coming through a gate

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#949 - 2012-07-27 04:05:13 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
i dunno maybe wardecs?


if you're afk mining while under a wardec you deserve to be blown up, your corpse paraded through jita and laughed at by everyone

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#950 - 2012-07-27 04:06:51 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:


Poor choice of words. The ganker is not supposed to be able to profit from killing miners when fitted for their role.
They are not war ships never intended to be war ships. But after this change I can see them getting used for some war ship type roles. Again unintended for EVE but then that never stopped most of the posters in this thread.



"Killing miners when fitted for their role"

translates to

"I don't have to tank because I don't believe Exhumers were meant to tank. Therefore it is unfair when a Catalyst blows one up for a minimal cost..."

Sorry, not a compelling argument.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#951 - 2012-07-27 04:09:45 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
i dunno maybe wardecs?


if you're afk mining while under a wardec you deserve to be blown up, your corpse paraded through jita and laughed at by everyone



you know this happens to peeps running annoms in 0.0 all the time (afk thing getting ganked)

or are you also trying to stealth suggest that annoms in 0.0 are also risk free?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#952 - 2012-07-27 04:10:18 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Skogen Gump wrote:
Matius Toskavich wrote:
Sounds like someone needs a box of tissues as they are to stupid to adapt to the changes?

Shoe is on the other foot so to speak. Roll


A. Men.

Seriously.


A change only "necessary" because miners adamantly refused to adapt for ... counting on my fingers... 5 years of Hulkageddons?

If miners had adapted to the situation, and gankers were crying, I'd be laughing at them. But that's not the situation. CCP has stepped in (yet again) because Miners cried loud and long that they were too lazy to adapt. CCP has decided to reward that.


I see what you did there and that is clearly not the case except in your own mind. The devs have stated that it was a mistake to make the miner vessels profitable to be ganked. But they do not intend to make them gank proof. They are supposed to cost more to gank than they cost to replace when fitted for their role. That was stated already by a dev in this thread. You are wrong. And it has nothing at all to do with a poor war fit as a miner is not a war vessel. It is intended for mining. Just because you can does not mean you should.

What happens in EVE when anyone pushes an exploit too far. It gets nerfed. How many times do you have to be nerfed before you get the hint? Obviously the devs have not nerfed you enough yet. You are still beating the dead horse.

The devs can say whatever they want, but too ******* bad. They're wrong.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#953 - 2012-07-27 04:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
MeBiatch wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
"but hisec isn't going to be totally risk-free because we might still die to rats" heh


Yeah, I was confused as to what miners were referring to when they said that mining with a 100K EHP Skiff was 'low-risk activity'.

I was sitting there trying to figure out where the 'low' risk was coming from.....

it was the high-sec belt rats, thats what it was.

Oh wait - belt rats aren't even strong enough to crack the passive regen of an AFK skiff.

So what makes it 'low' risk activity as opposed to virtually 'no-risk' activity?

-Accidentally hitting the self destruction button and not noticing it?

-Accidentally ejecting and someone jacks your Skiff?

-Someone flipping your can? Oh wait, you don't need cans anymore.




i dunno maybe wardecs?


LOL, no silly guy. I'll let you in on a secret:

If wardecced, miners are free to drop corp until the war is over, and mine as if the aggressor hadn't wasted millions of ISK.

Try again.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#954 - 2012-07-27 04:12:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
MeBiatch wrote:
you know this happens to peeps running annoms in 0.0 all the time (afk thing getting ganked)

or are you also trying to stealth suggest that annoms in 0.0 are also risk free?


people generally don't afk in anoms unless they're in domis, which are hilariously cheap

they certainly don't whine about getting blown up, in any case

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#955 - 2012-07-27 04:13:12 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
"but hisec isn't going to be totally risk-free because we might still die to rats" heh


Yeah, I was confused as to what miners were referring to when they said that mining with a 100K EHP Skiff was 'low-risk activity'.

I was sitting there trying to figure out where the 'low' risk was coming from.....

it was the high-sec belt rats, thats what it was.

Oh wait - belt rats aren't even strong enough to crack the passive regen of an AFK skiff.

So what makes it 'low' risk activity as opposed to virtually 'no-risk' activity?

-Accidentally hitting the self destruction button and not noticing it?

-Accidentally ejecting and someone jacks your Skiff?

-Someone flipping your can? Oh wait, you don't need cans anymore.




i dunno maybe wardecs?


LOL, no silly guy. I'll let you in on a secret:

If wardecced, miners are free to drop corp until the war is over, and mine as the aggressor hadn't wasted millions of ISK.

Try again.




ah you have yet to hear about my new crusade against npc corps...





tldr:

they must go and be replaced with faction warfare militias only. your people are at war and need your service for the republic!

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#956 - 2012-07-27 04:13:58 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
ah you have yet to hear about my new crusade against npc corps...


MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Herr Hammer Draken
#957 - 2012-07-27 04:14:27 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Wow what an over statement.


let's see

crimewatch, which will prevent you from ganking a freighter or an officer-fit faction battleship because otherwise looting it means that anyone can shoot you and bring all the neutral RR they want and you can't shoot at their RR

this unnecessary change catering to afk miners who feel entitled to profit while only alt-tabbing from their movie to move ore to their orcas

yeah, welcome to a risk-free hisec. a new game enhancement - err, experience!


In my experience in high sec more than 70% of the ganks are done right now un profitable. Contrary to all the almighty posters in this thread that want CCP and everyone reading this thread to think otherwise. So you are full of it when you suggest the ganks will stop just because of profitability. But ganks will require team work now. And to sustain them it will require funds as well. I can live with that. But they will still happen it just will not be the thing to do anymore because of costs involved. And I already explained how a corp can profit in high sec with the motto of ganking miners for a living. Charge a fee for service.

As an example I was only ganked once and I was in a retriever at the time. A destroyer took me out. Then he abandoned his wreck, turned it blue. I recovered my wreck and his without even getting a timer on me for looting his wreck. I made out enough to outfit almost two retrievers. He lost far more than I did and yet he still made the choice to do what he did with no input from me at all. He did not even get insurance but I did.
This is the kind of players EVE has for the vast majority. You guys making these arguments represent almost nobody else except your selves when you say these things that are completely rediculous statement in the extreme. The vast majority of EVE players are no where near this level of play. They will still do it because it is fun. Even if it is costly.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#958 - 2012-07-27 04:15:35 UTC
it is also not your crusade, it is nicolo da'vicenza's

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#959 - 2012-07-27 04:15:41 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:


ah you have yet to hear about my new crusade against npc corps...

tldr:

they must go and be replaced with faction warfare militias only. your people are at war and need your service for the republic!


I like it, probably needs a bit of fleshing out, certainly will never happen......but I like it.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#960 - 2012-07-27 04:16:25 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
ah you have yet to hear about my new crusade against npc corps...


MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic


yes and guess what this char is used for?!?!?

avoiding wars by beign in an npc corp so i can haul stuff to my low sec waypoint and use my thanny to move stuff to 0.0 for me... plus he is also a cyno alt...

hey i am going to use the feature as long as its here...

i am just saying its stupid and should be removed...

risk free is silly if you ask me...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.