EVE General Discussion

what can i say iam good.
hook line and shinker.

That might be true for T1 stuff.
What about T2 stuff?
Mineral prices have very low impact on T2 stuff ( in most cases ) so it won't change much ( probably not at all ).

Just an off the wall question but I have to ask why did you range script your TC's?

We need to keep downgrading, first it was uh Tempests, then Brutixes, then Catalysts. BS -> BC -> "Dessie"

Let's go to frigates or even noobships, then they'll have to really get rediculous.

X for T1 noobship ganking blob

has a nice ring to it, though you could also X for pos destruction.

Update from post #64:

Torp/Dual smart-bomb Raven:


The gank-character used has Caldari BS 5, and the Raven has one more missile slot, but one of the lows needs to be an RCU, and a power-grid rig needed to fit T II launchers, 2 disco-balls, and a cap-booster. Point, web, 3 Target painters in the other mids, 4 BCU II in the lows, shooting/disco'ing Kinetics against the tankd Procurer.

This did manage to solo the Procurer, but only just (smarties almost got the pod, too :)) .

Strangely enough, when testing against untanked (EM damage into the big hole), it couldn't, quite.

More Toro:

The other ships testing against un-tanked couldn't solo it either, although the Toro, same fit/different ammos came the closest, actually closer than the EM Raven against the un-tanked Procurer.

I was not using implants on the ganker, but I only just almost (soooooo close!) got a third volley off with the Toro, and I suspect that a +5% RoF implant, along with a 3 or 5% Damage-Modifier implant, would have made the difference, as the two volleys I did get off put the Proc into structure, and it had no DCU for that round of tests. It still does have a lot of raw buffer though, but that third volley vs. un-tanked Proc probably would have finished it.

Conclusion:

Solo-ganker vs. "typically" tanked Procurer (fit as per post #64):

Kinetics -- lots of it!

Also expensive fit, and very high skills needed, and RoF/damage implants should be used as a "hedge." The Torp-Raven seems to have the most consistent performance, don't forget to bring the secondary disco in the other two hi slots.

Solo-ganker vs. un-tanked Procurer:

Tornado, again expensive (all T II guns and damage-mods), possibly T II ammo (highest damage), Rof and/or Damage Modifier implants should probably be considered madatory.

I'm pretty sure this all will do it in a 0.5, but probably no higher.

So solo might not be the "given" it once was, but you can always get those Blap-rax fleets, BlapTos duos/trios, AlphaToro duos/trios, and Catalyst zergs together, and smart industrialists:

MAEK MOAR!!

(NOTE: I'm not assuming that I might not have derp'ed the ganks, either--I've really only ever sui-ganked with friends on TQ before, not solo....Maybe time to change that before patch-day?)

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I still think the stealth-bomber cloaky-gank gang, though hardly cost-effective, has tremendous lol-potential, by the way. How much more tears would these dumb bleating-sheep generate if they literally never saw the gankers coming?

Only if the FC sings to us, though.

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Link for those not in the know. As much as I despise most goons--for vastly different reasons than the bleating-carebear crowd, I assure you--this is just brilliant!

I know discussion is good, but this stuff may not be the final version. Why acting like it already ruined the game or so?
Well mining ships don't have much cargo hold, so jet can mining is the best option for most solo miners (not entering into the topics of orcas and secure cans, since I'm talking about solo mining). The change of ore bays will especially work well for ninja mining (something I try to do all the time), which I'm guessing CCP wants to encourage. The larger the risk, the better the reward right? Now the risk stays at the same magnitude, but it's duration decreases by a bit.
Of course, I'm not entering into the topic of suicide ganking and all that jazz. Honestly, I think the barges had way less hp, and now it's fixed.
REMEMBER though that this can be changed with upcoming patches, or even before the new patch is released.
Peace.

I am sure the odd 'real miner' especially if they are new to Eve, complains but being ganked.

But I would suggest that the vast majority of the supposed 'crying miners' are, in fact just plain old anti-miner types trying to give miners a bad name.

It is also an easy, lazy way to start a long boring thread.

Being ganked is simply a business cost to be factored into mining.

But now Boat is shooting the pos, so his dog is the one entertaining us.

i think you under estimate the changes.