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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#761 - 2012-07-26 21:40:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I warned you that if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k.
They did. Period. They would do with or without CCP adding alchemy too. All the high IQ voodoo you needed to use was to draw a straight diagonal line across the in game price chart.

"no really guys i was proven right when an external event caused the change i predicted"

tech was rising right before the nerf was announced. i know this, because buys had formed a solid wall that allowed us to dump massive amounts of tech right down to the new equilibrium price

also lawling at you claiming "if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k" is a prediction

"if it goes up i was right because of a, if it goes down i was right because of b BEHOLD MY UNFALSIFIABLE PREDICTION"
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#762 - 2012-07-26 21:41:11 UTC
seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#763 - 2012-07-26 21:42:06 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
All V skills requirement check (it's usually the first sign it's a troll).
Exotic implants check
FC with Tengu booster check
Additional fleet Orca boost check
Abysmal mining capability check


the "all 5 requirement" is literally shield upgrades V, engineering V, electronics V and whatever skills you need to fit the rest of that crap

the "abysmal mining capability" is because YOU SACRIFICE YIELD (aka isk/hr) TO FIT A TANK

as for the rest, well, aren't you the one saying "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD WORK WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS HERE MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME"

cripes


You can't argue with stupidity. We'll be arguing until the sun goes all explody. CCP just needs to seriously look at what they are doing and look at all the various tangents of effect this change they are considering will have on the game. As many can see, using only a small portion of our brain, this is a bad ideal that CCP has come up with.
Dave stark
#764 - 2012-07-26 21:42:19 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself"


so, which of your doctrines uses t1 weapons to fit other modules to do it's job?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#765 - 2012-07-26 21:42:38 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:

Hey guys here are two command ships that increase damage, you are SO owned

Oh wait it doesn't ah well no biggie don't quote me on that it doesn't matter


Go ahead and quote, help yourself.

Here, some music for you. Lol

brb
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#766 - 2012-07-26 21:43:02 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
and which of your fleet doctrines use t1 guns because of fitting requirements?
sacrificing ihus for tank isn't a problem, high slots really should not be subject to the same absurdity because i'll wager the answer to my above question is none. (yes you may have alternative t1 fittings for low sp players, that's not the same thing though)


the equivalent here isn't necessarily using t1 guns but going down a size, from, say, 1400s to 1200s

please stop making these dumb comparisons between combat ships and ships that literally pay for themselves

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#767 - 2012-07-26 21:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
also go find me an amarr battleship fit that can fit a full rack of t2 tachyons while having a tank that isn't abysmal

oracles don't count because their tank is abysmal by design

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#768 - 2012-07-26 21:44:44 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
All V skills requirement check (it's usually the first sign it's a troll).
Exotic implants check
FC with Tengu booster check
Additional fleet Orca boost check
Abysmal mining capability check


the "all 5 requirement" is literally shield upgrades V, engineering V, electronics V and whatever skills you need to fit the rest of that crap

the "abysmal mining capability" is because YOU SACRIFICE YIELD (aka isk/hr) TO FIT A TANK

as for the rest, well, aren't you the one saying "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD WORK WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS HERE MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME"

cripes


You get a decent tank while neutering profit like baws. That's not a compromise that's a neutering.

I have made a no MLU no cargo mack and unlike you I played it. It's terrible, it mines 6 blocks in the time other macks I have made mine 10. This maps in a small fleet income dropping from 500M a day to 300M, which vastly does NOT justify additional expenses for a Tengu nor ganks happen twice a day to make it a risk vs reward obvious choice.


As for the "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD" it is a rebuttal on mine on that same very sentence being abused in every single ganker thread. Sucks when it works against you, eh?

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Ohh Yeah
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#769 - 2012-07-26 21:44:55 UTC
Zagdul wrote:

Skiff gets some insane numbers like 70k ehp.


103k EHP with a damage control sans Tengu bonuses
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#770 - 2012-07-26 21:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
That's not a compromise that's a neutering.


sorry if i disagree with your arbitrary definitions of "compromise" and "neutering" but you're wrong here

and hey if a yield-fit mining ship pays for itself before it gets ganked, well, working as ******* intended

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#771 - 2012-07-26 21:46:12 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
and as for "hurr that tengu could be making isk itself" well perhaps you should probably realize that that same tengu can boost 1 or 250 mining ships all the same


Sorry hi sec has no blob tards bringing more than 10 ships and that's speaking of quite large hi sec mining fleets already.

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Dave stark
#772 - 2012-07-26 21:46:37 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
and which of your fleet doctrines use t1 guns because of fitting requirements?
sacrificing ihus for tank isn't a problem, high slots really should not be subject to the same absurdity because i'll wager the answer to my above question is none. (yes you may have alternative t1 fittings for low sp players, that's not the same thing though)


the equivalent here isn't necessarily using t1 guns but going down a size, from, say, 1400s to 1200s

please stop making these dumb comparisons between combat ships and ships that literally pay for themselves


i'll stop making dumb comparisons when you stop posting dumb fits.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#773 - 2012-07-26 21:47:07 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
and as for "hurr that tengu could be making isk itself" well perhaps you should probably realize that that same tengu can boost 1 or 250 mining ships all the same


Sorry hi sec has no blob tards bringing more than 10 ships and that's speaking of quite large hi sec mining fleets already.

some highsec players - not you, of course - can make friends
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#774 - 2012-07-26 21:47:19 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Sorry hi sec has no blob tards bringing more than 10 ships and that's speaking of quite large hi sec mining fleets already.


i'm sorry that hiseccers are so averse to social interaction that they can't make friends

in the meantime we'll just gank your afk mining ships with more than 2 catalysts

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#775 - 2012-07-26 21:47:28 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I warned you that if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k.
They did. Period. They would do with or without CCP adding alchemy too. All the high IQ voodoo you needed to use was to draw a straight diagonal line across the in game price chart.

"no really guys i was proven right when an external event caused the change i predicted"

tech was rising right before the nerf was announced. i know this, because buys had formed a solid wall that allowed us to dump massive amounts of tech right down to the new equilibrium price

also lawling at you claiming "if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k" is a prediction

"if it goes up i was right because of a, if it goes down i was right because of b BEHOLD MY UNFALSIFIABLE PREDICTION"


Your solid wall is called "market extension" and is a precursor to a deep dive.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#776 - 2012-07-26 21:47:28 UTC
nerf friends
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#777 - 2012-07-26 21:47:52 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself"

THIS IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
What the hell is wrong with people?
How hard could it be to make someone understand just how much this hurts the game?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#778 - 2012-07-26 21:48:31 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i'll stop making dumb comparisons when you stop posting dumb fits.


why is it a dumb fit? because it doesn't have max yield and 30k ehp?

i hope that's not what you're saying because if so go try doing that yourself, hint, you can't

god forbid hisec miners have to make *gasp* DECISIONS

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#779 - 2012-07-26 21:48:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Your solid wall is called "market extension" and is a precursor to a deep dive.


i see when the prediction is about things that can never be checked suddenly the hedging disappears
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#780 - 2012-07-26 21:49:11 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself"

Admit the only reason you care is this will lessen the demand for tech

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