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Windows 8 "a disaster" says Gabe Newell.
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Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-26 19:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Benilopax
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18996377

Windows planning to choke off games industry says Newell in which he calls the "death of the platform".

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-26 19:10:55 UTC
Why is he talking about Windows 8 mobile and Windows 8 for PC as if they're the same thing when they clearly aren't? He's just whining because Steam will have a competitor.
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#3 - 2012-07-26 20:08:07 UTC
Actually he is whining because Windows 8 breaks a lot of games. I would love to have my service cut off by an OS maker who broke all my merchandise my customers have already bought.

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Xenuria
#4 - 2012-07-26 20:33:11 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Why is he talking about Windows 8 mobile and Windows 8 for PC as if they're the same thing when they clearly aren't? He's just whining because Steam will have a competitor.


Gayben is really the rush limbaugh of computer games. A bloated creature making noise to gain attention. From what I hear gabe hardly has any responsibilities at valve these days. He is just a figure head at this point.

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Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#5 - 2012-07-27 00:46:31 UTC
Moral of the story?

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-07-27 13:06:18 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
Actually he is whining because Windows 8 breaks a lot of games. I would love to have my service cut off by an OS maker who broke all my merchandise my customers have already bought.


Oh noes! It's like every version of Windows before it!
stoicfaux
#7 - 2012-07-27 14:00:07 UTC
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This is a shop through which users will be able to buy apps for their Windows 8 device.

On some versions of Windows 8, it will be the only way to get downloadable software such as games.

Microsoft takes a cut, up to 30%, of every sale made through this store.


So the issue is with the Walled Garden? Given how the XBox is a closed platform (e.g. DUST developed for PS3 instead of XBox) and how MS seems to have Apple Store envy, I can see Windows 8 as potentially being a problem for gamers with less game choice and increased prices due to MS "royalties."

Why do people keep trying to resurrect the AOL business model?

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Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-07-27 15:42:57 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Why is he talking about Windows 8 mobile and Windows 8 for PC as if they're the same thing when they clearly aren't? He's just whining because Steam will have a competitor.


Gayben is really the rush limbaugh of computer games. A bloated creature making noise to gain attention. From what I hear gabe hardly has any responsibilities at valve these days. He is just a figure head at this point.


How dare you question the Gaben!
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-27 17:21:48 UTC
It is kind of interesting to read all the comments here. One got to wonder, are most of them troll comments, or are people really this stupid?

I mean, Steam is under no real threat, and that is not what Gabe was talking about.

It is surprising how little people, more so in the US, actually think for themselves and follow a herd mentality. A "black and white" view if you will.
stoicfaux
#10 - 2012-07-27 17:59:00 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
It is kind of interesting to read all the comments here. One got to wonder, are most of them troll comments, or are people really this stupid?

I mean, Steam is under no real threat, and that is not what Gabe was talking about.

It is surprising how little people, more so in the US, actually think for themselves and follow a herd mentality. A "black and white" view if you will.


Eh? Look to the future.
Quote:
"There's a strong temptation to close the platform," he said, "because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors' access to the platform, and they say, 'That's really exciting.'"


And look at the past.
The reason why DUST isn't on the XBox is because MS won't allow open internet access and they charge for updates. Microsoft has a history of trying to lock out competitors with their control of the OS, where history == Microsoft was convicted of it under US anti-trust laws. Microsoft is pursuing a walled garden Windows 8 software store strategy. Microsoft can and has exerted pressure on hardware manufacturers to do things that favor Microsoft over competitors.

The threat to PCs isn't immediate, but Valve would be stupid for not drawing a line in the sand for PCs or to otherwise prepare for the eventuality that Microsoft does try to use its large base of Windows customers to control (i.e. tax) software that runs Windows.

Meaning, do you really think that Microsoft won't try to turn Windows gaming PCs into a closed XBox type environment?


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Oona Kasenumi
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-07-27 23:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Oona Kasenumi
It isn't just Microsoft that is looking to move towards a closed ecosystem. Amazon is doing the same thing with the Kindle (fire). It my be just android reskinned, but the average user doesn't know that. Then of course there is Apple... which is one of the most valuable companies in the world largely because it built a walled garden that consumers actually want to be in.

There isn't any immediate 'danger', but I think it is fair to say that the trend towards closed ecosystems, particularly on mobile devices, is one that is bad for the consumer.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-07-28 03:04:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Anyanka Funk
stoicfaux wrote:
Why do people keep trying to resurrect the AOL business model?


That's what they teach in business school.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-07-28 03:42:55 UTC
I hope someone sues MS under anti-trust laws. This is BS. It is bad for them, it is bad for windows, and it is bad for the end users. Maybe we'll all have to get android PCs when they come out or something like that.

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Kurfin
Kippers and Jam Developments
#14 - 2012-07-28 05:55:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kurfin
I can't see them locking down the PC version of windows, after all business users aren't going to be happy if they can no longer install and run specialist software without paying a big chunk extra to MS for licensing. It would drive them towards Linux, and away from MS Office (which correct me if I'm wrong, but heard recently was MS's biggest earner). Windows PCs aren't just toys in peoples homes, offices around the world are stuffed with them and presumably make up a large chunk of MS revenue.

The tablet/mobile version probably will be locked down, but that won't affect PC gaming. And I get a feeling it will kill it, Apple isn't successful because users favour a closed model, it's successful because it produces fashion items. MS just doesn't have the brand image to pull it off, people will either want an Apple or will go with Android .
Blue Binary
Polychoron
#15 - 2012-07-28 11:41:42 UTC
Oona Kasenumi wrote:
It isn't just Microsoft that is looking to move towards a closed ecosystem. Amazon is doing the same thing with the Kindle (fire). It my be just android reskinned, but the average user doesn't know that. Then of course there is Apple... which is one of the most valuable companies in the world largely because it built a walled garden that consumers actually want to be in.

There isn't any immediate 'danger', but I think it is fair to say that the trend towards closed ecosystems, particularly on mobile devices, is one that is bad for the consumer.
It isn't just a trend for mobile devices to be restricted.

Microsoft is pushing for a closed ecosystem for Windows 8 certification on ARM based client/server systems. Using UEFI's Secure Boot feature they intend to lock ARM based systems to Windows 8 with no option to disable secure boot and therefore cannot run a competing OS, i.e. Linux.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-07-28 22:47:24 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
It is kind of interesting to read all the comments here. One got to wonder, are most of them troll comments, or are people really this stupid?

I mean, Steam is under no real threat, and that is not what Gabe was talking about.

It is surprising how little people, more so in the US, actually think for themselves and follow a herd mentality. A "black and white" view if you will.


Eh? Look to the future.
Quote:
"There's a strong temptation to close the platform," he said, "because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors' access to the platform, and they say, 'That's really exciting.'"


And look at the past.
The reason why DUST isn't on the XBox is because MS won't allow open internet access and they charge for updates. Microsoft has a history of trying to lock out competitors with their control of the OS, where history == Microsoft was convicted of it under US anti-trust laws. Microsoft is pursuing a walled garden Windows 8 software store strategy. Microsoft can and has exerted pressure on hardware manufacturers to do things that favor Microsoft over competitors.

The threat to PCs isn't immediate, but Valve would be stupid for not drawing a line in the sand for PCs or to otherwise prepare for the eventuality that Microsoft does try to use its large base of Windows customers to control (i.e. tax) software that runs Windows.

Meaning, do you really think that Microsoft won't try to turn Windows gaming PCs into a closed XBox type environment?




No, I think MS would love nothing more, but it can't close off everything without dying. It is doing well in the office world, and the game world, but if it closes off it will not manage to build further, and competitors will take over. Like shooting itself in the leg. I won't put it past them, but still.

As for steam, I can't really see it losing out that much unless it is denied to run under win8. Gabe is worried about the trends, not so much as steam profits, is what I am talking from this. But most americans only think in short term profits.. ;)

And gabe is right, the only reason I use win7 is because of games. Linux is great for other things. Also free and easy to use :)
Emiko P'eng
#17 - 2012-07-29 11:13:36 UTC
Given Apples success at creaming its customers in their walled garden I can quite happily see Microsoft looking enviously at the extra profits it could make by locking everyone into a Microsoft Store!

Apart from that though Windows 8 is a abortion as far as I am concerned and this comes after trying Window 8 Preview

I can see where this comment comes from!

TechRadar - Windows 8 is "not awesome for Blizzard either"

As well as this classic!

How Real People Will Use Windows 8

Yes I am a Dinosaur

I use XP, but I can run simultaneously on dual monitors (one wide screen) 2 x EVE Clients (Max Graphic settings), Opera Browser, Open Office & Mumble all on my ancient AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core and it still has CPU left over. So why do I need a new OSLol

I tried Vista preview couldn't get it off my PC fast enough,Even its uninstall ran at glacial speeds!

I tried Windows 7 preview definitely a lot better that Vista, but only if I invested in a new PC

I have now tried Windows 8 preview, well at least its uninstall was faster than Vista

Why on earth would I want to waste money on a new OS that is a hybrid from hell!

Given my experience of Windows 8 preview I will be buying a copy of Windows 7 and put it away for the day my current PC finally dies!

Finally even Forbes thinks that Windows 8 maybe the beginning of a step to far for Microsoft!

Forbes - Is Windows 8 Going To Kill Microsoft?
Pulgy
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-07-29 17:53:56 UTC
You should know every other Windows OS is terrible P
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#19 - 2012-07-30 16:33:08 UTC
Interesting. That correlates to another set of statements he made that Linux has the potential to become much more mainstream with the help of Steam...basically by having Steam built to play nice with Linux.

If Microsoft gets too greedy and starts holding other developers hostage, I think he'll be making a push for Linux as the gamer's OS of choice.

While I've never tried, used, or know much about Linux, I'd be willing to give it a try.

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Sturmwolke
#20 - 2012-07-30 17:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturmwolke
Apple's successes isn't attributed to near monopoly (per se), nor are they fielding the best technology (per se). They leverage on the human factor, building their brand around it.
Microsoft is a different beast. They build avg products and rely more on ubiquitousness and widespread adoption as leverage. The moment they try the same thing, it will be one of their biggest failure and will spur the market to evaluate "seriously" the alternatives.

Once you get a certain critical mass that approaches ubiquity, say for example Linux, demand for app/games will naturally gravitate towards it.
It's not quite there yet, but it's closer when compared to several years back.

P.S. Come to think of it, Win7/Win8 is like the XP/Vista cycle. Good->crap->good->crap. Another thing, it's funny that no one mentions anti-trust suits for the Win8 built-in store. I'm assuming there's an opt out?

Edit: Yeah, I almost forgot. You can draw the same parallel to (@#$@%) EVE's Unified Inventory when looking at criticisms levelled at the Win8 UI.
The same fundamental mistakes.
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