Science & Industry

Ok now. i have posted a few times bout null topics. so DEAL WITH IT!

ok were almost in a null allaince. and i want to mine solo in null sec
and make isk. what do i need to know? i need to know.. a good
retriver tank fit. escape tactics. things i should know before diving into null.
ok and your going to ask me why not just get someone to protect you while
you mine?well thats quite simple. in null anyone can hurt you even your own corp
mates. i learned that the hard way in HIGH SEC! anyways hoping for some good
responses thanks :)

EDIT: wanted to also include how to get out of warp scram...dam i hate those things.

QFT

retriever's can't tank.
warp to pos is your escape tactic.
before going in to null? just don't. if you're flying a retriever you're obviously new, just don't. stay in high sec and get a better grasp on the game first.

getting out of warp scram? you don't. you just don't get scrammed to begin with.

Don't buy permissions/rental of space as that will more often than not be a scam.

Use your head and keep your eyes open.

Be prepared to lose your vessel every once in a while and figure that into your profit calculations.

Watch local.

D-Scan.

Make or mine with friends.

PS Retriever is no good at least until they mess with mining later in the Summer. A Covetor is the recommended vessel for mining in nul as it has good yield but is not as expensive as a Hulk.

You won't be able to tank all of the rat spawns there without help in a retriever.

The best method there is to avoid getting scambled is to keep an eye on local and your alliance intel channels and to warp off whenever a red is spotted. When you log in you need to check system status (with intel); there may be reds logged in your system or nearby.

Ideally you will have boosts from corp/alliance friends (in mining systems there's usually someone offering fleet). Personally I fit shield transfers too when I'm boosting fleet just in case one of the ships gets low on shield when the rats arrive. I also give shield harmonizing bonus. Mining ships are usually rigged with screen reinforcer to increase resists too.

You don't generally mine belts in null, so you'll need to able to find the gravs.

Normally you will mine into cans and then haul to station. Remember when a red is spotted don't warp to station (red might be sitting on station), so make sure you have one or more safe spot bookmarks in system. When you get there, the first thing you should do is make insta-warp bookmarks from station to a point off grid, so you can escape quickly.

Oh and as above says, way better to use exhumer than barge. Barge is OK if you get shield transfer support in mining op.

I agree with D3F4ULT, it would be best to just mining in high sec or even some 5.0 system's for descent ores. As Celgar Thurn put it your going to want to also watch local like a hawk encase anyone with a low security status or even check their kill boards to see if they have a history of ganking and etc... Also never mine AFK just don't do it.

If you can't trust your corpmates enough to mine, then you should probably reconsider the corporation you are in (they can shoot you legally anywhere and you don't trust them? )

More to the point, solo mining in its current state pretty much requires an exhumer in nullsec. A mining barge has literally zero tank, so if any rats show up you'll need to warp out or die, even with support. A well-fit hulk (with faction-specific resists and a halfway decent deadspace small shield booster) can usually tank most rat spawns, though depending on their e-war you may want to have a dedicated tank around anyway.

If any hostile players enter system, GTFO (and go to a POS, NOT the station) because anything that can fit a weapon will kill your mining ship if it even remotely sneezes on you (this applies to exhumers as well, that pathetic ~100 DPS active tank won't save you from anything). Mining in belts is extremely dangerous, although the same caution should be exercised in gravimetric sites since your enemy could have scanned them down while you weren't there.

Basically take the usual precautions of 0.0 (pay attention to intel channels and local) and apply them to a ship that takes 15 seconds to align and has all the glorious tank of a bad cruiser.

Oh, and if you're mining for money, Scordite is the second most valuable ore in the game right now and can be found literally anywhere with an asteroid belt. You don't need to go to nullsec to make a lot of money mining right now so if you're going there exclusively to mine for money, don't. It's not worth the hassle, especially given the changes coming on the 8th that will apparently result in some nice, utterly gank-resistant mining barges for your highsec enjoyment.

Never not leave high sec.
Go find a new player friendly corp, and join them in Null.

Do not bring anything from empire except a clone and a fast as **** travel fit destroyer, with 2 tracktor beams, 6 salvagers, 6 cargo expanders in cargo. bring a proto cloak if you can use it. ( think about also bringing 3 strip miners if you have them, and mining bonus low slot mods, some rigs for the retriever (align speed))

When you get to null, go salvage & loot the belts until you get set up with isk etc to buy your retriever and hauler.

they can barely tank the rats in highsec tbh =/ and you don't get a lot of room to fit 'em for tanking (as several already mentioned)

First off forget about T1 barges in Null.
The Rats will take you out before any player can kill you.

A Mackinaw will be your ship of choice by the looks of it come November.

Till then you are flying a Hulk.
Fitting well....
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Then build a tank from there based on the RATS.


As far as getting out of a warp scram.
DON"T BE THERE WHEN THEY SHOW UP
WATCH LOCAL AND THE SECURITY CHANNELS.

Best of Luck.
Oh and if you can't trust you corp then leave them.
Also mine with others it is safer and shares the load of watching for trouble.