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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#621 - 2012-07-26 19:27:31 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The day every null sec player is not aloud by any means starting by NPC or Alt corporations to have full industrial organisations in high sec, mission corporations, shipping corporations, trading alts, High sec research/invention POS's and more funky stuff, then yep it will be time to change high sec.
But as far as every major null alliance has hundreds/thousands of those in high sec and don't stop crying about high sec they will always be laughed at for not being serious for one second.


"let's punish people for playing in nullsec"



You're reading backwards, try again and once again try to answer correctly instead of rabble the same old story you're pushing out now for a couple days.

Mining barges and ganking mechanic were clearly not balanced, it's not me who says it but some Dev knowing this game more decently then you or I do, balance will hit and now you'll have to put some effort instead of doing brainless stuff.
There's no problem with this, the only problem is your math knowledge and ability to recognise something wrong is going now in the right direction. You used and abused of a badly implemented stuff, they're about to correct it, you should be happy for your game.

And your bot argument you know where you can put it right? -I'm sure Shreegs gets a mad laugh at each post he reads because of this buff we're going to see more bots, jesus how can you guys be that dumb?

brb
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#622 - 2012-07-26 19:28:11 UTC
Anyone else get an honest-to-god real headache from reading this??? I think I need to go outside more...

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#623 - 2012-07-26 19:29:18 UTC
Sarik Olecar wrote:
Also, I'd like to think this thread - which has giving many carebears their first taste of tears - will go on to inspire all sorts of crazy shenanigans as they desperately try to feed the new-found addiction...


What, 'crazy shenanigans' like whining even harder to CCP for more beneficial game mechanic changes and insane EHP buffs?

As an expert in 'tears' - must be some strange new definition of 'harvesting tears' that I am unaware of.
I thought that tears were something you earned 'in game', not through the petition process or the forums....Roll
JamesCLK
#624 - 2012-07-26 19:30:27 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:

I just don't understand why as a group, why these 'intelligent' miners are such an extreme minority.

Is it just blind 'Goon hatred?'
Or are these people who lost an Exhumer 3 weeks ago (or 2 years ago in the case of Krixtal Icefluxor) - and rather than learn from it, they just get mad and lose sight of the forest for the trees?


'Intelligent' miners don't make forum posts, they aren't very vocal because they have no real need to be (it's a minority of a minority).
The rest get mad and lose sight of New Eden for the roids (They are winning at EVE apparently).

These changes - in their initial sisi deployment glory - are very much a load of bull.

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Jed Bobby
Doomheim
#625 - 2012-07-26 19:30:45 UTC
I just harvested like at least 3 tears from your post
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#626 - 2012-07-26 19:30:59 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The day every null sec player is not aloud by any means starting by NPC or Alt corporations to have full industrial organisations in high sec, mission corporations, shipping corporations, trading alts, High sec research/invention POS's and more funky stuff, then yep it will be time to change high sec.
But as far as every major null alliance has hundreds/thousands of those in high sec and don't stop crying about high sec they will always be laughed at for not being serious for one second.


"let's punish people for playing in nullsec"



You're reading backwards, try again and once again try to answer correctly instead of rabble the same old story you're pushing out now for a couple days.

Mining barges and ganking mechanic were clearly not balanced, it's not me who says it but some Dev knowing this game more decently then you or I do, balance will hit and now you'll have to put some effort instead of doing brainless stuff.
There's no problem with this, the only problem is your math knowledge and ability to recognise something wrong is going now in the right direction. You used and abused of a badly implemented stuff, they're about to correct it, you should be happy for your game.

And your bot argument you know where you can put it right? -I'm sure Shreegs gets a mad laugh at each post he reads because of this buff we're going to see more bots, jesus how can you guys be that dumb?


Your ideal of balance means you want 0 risk in high-sec so you can AFK mine to your hearts content.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#627 - 2012-07-26 19:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC.
…which are a response to the “but it's meaningless, they'll bring more” argument. It's not something you have to do — it's an escalation in response to their escalation that disproves a completely different myth about the tankability of Hulks. You don't need to use fitting mods to survive a catalyst. You might need one to survive the bizarrely outlandish scenarios that miners come up with to justify their decisions not to tank (because, apparently, tanks don't make you survive according to them)…

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Then the answer is the same your ilk has always given to everybody else: adapt or quit.
Answer to what? It has nothing to do with what you quoted. In fact, the issues caused by this fundamentally flawed concept of cost-balancing were fundamentally flawed exactly because there was no adaptation to it, and that's why they had to actually fix it by using some real balance measures.

When people tell miners to adapt or quit, it's because there are ways of adapting. The miners generally refuse to and instead argue about cost and other irrelevancies.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#628 - 2012-07-26 19:32:45 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
I just don't understand why as a group, why these 'intelligent' miners are such an extreme minority.

Is it just blind 'Goon hatred?'
Or are these people who lost an Exhumer 3 weeks ago (or 2 years ago in the case of Krixtal Icefluxor) - and rather than learn from it, they just get mad and lose sight of the forest for the trees?

Krixtal Icefluxor... ? Now that's a name you don't see totally all the time.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#629 - 2012-07-26 19:32:45 UTC
Arvantis Sauril wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Arvantis Sauril wrote:

I propose a heavy tax on all activity in Hi-Sec. Missions, mining, production, everything. I severely doubt the US gov't and all the powerful corporations in the us would allow me to go mining for gold wherever I wanted somewhere in New Jersey and that if I did find something that I wouldn't immediately be pressured/sued/incarcerated into selling the rights to the land or never going near where I found the gold again. Something needs to sustain these empires and Concord, right? If you want to AFK mine, fine, go ahead, but if you do so in Hi-Sec you should net very little if any profit after huge taxes for doing so in Empire space. It is their asteroid after all.



What happens in real world when one of those pseudo-socialist countries impose the next tax is that capital and big corps move to less stupid countries. See France. See Italy. And more.



In the real world the citizens would complain about the pirates making commodities more expensive and the Navy would take action.

Don't give me the nonsense that since capsuleers are immortal it wouldn't matter what the Navy did either. Some Navy snipers and a head shot every time a ganker showed his face in a station and gankers would be playing Groundhog Day every day.

But we were discussing Eve and not real life...do continue...




Umm...piracy happens everyday. Seizure of physical goods. Kidnapping. These things are very real and as is evidenced by the real world, they are nigh impossible to stop when you consider the size of the oceans. These things also occur on land, everyday. Navy ships can only be in so many places at one time. Space is infinitely vaster.

If a player wants near instant and swift protection and justice from would be pirates and gankers, that should come at a COST. Not be free of charge, included with subscription, please go about your business sir. If there was some "Platinum Concord Protection Plan" bought and sold in Jita, then that's one thing. But there isn't.


Ummm..in real life pirates do what they do to survive. They don't go out in a small boat into the unforgiving ocean and risk a sniper's bullet to the head for the "lulz".

Similarly, suicide ganking should be a means of demonstrating to an individual or organization that you dislike their actions so much that you would literally throw money away just to cause them misery. It should be done for strategic, tactical or retributive considerations not just because you can.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#630 - 2012-07-26 19:34:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC.
…which are a response to the “but it's meaningless, they'll bring more” argument. It's not something you have to do — it's an escalation in response to their escalation that disproves a completely different myth about the tankability of Hulks.

Quote:
Then the answer is the same your ilk has always given to everybody else: adapt or quit.
Answer to what? It has nothing to do with what you quoted. In fact, the issues caused by this fundamentally flawed concept of cost-balancing were fundamentally flawed exactly because there was no adaptation to it, and that's why they had to actually fix it by using some real balance measures.

When people tell miners to adapt or quit, it's because there are ways of adapting. The miners generally refuse to and instead argue about cost and other irrelevancies.

We should argue about the cost of supercaps .... at least that makes them rare compared to untanked.badly tanked hulks...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#631 - 2012-07-26 19:34:08 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC. End of MLU.

In the meanwhile I don't recall EVER having had to fit a MLU in any of my other PvP or PvE ships. And I have loads.


yeah no PvP ship needs an MLU because, you see, it's not going anywhere close to an asteroid


Sorry I meant MAPC.


if you think nobody fits MAPCs on pvp ships you've probably never flown a ship in PvP

almost every t1/t2/faction frigate fitting has an MAPC


I had to fit a MAPC on a couple of imposed large scale PvP ships: it was to make them uber for those roles (typically some boosted arty fits). Exhumers? Need a MAPC just to not suck complete balls.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#632 - 2012-07-26 19:34:58 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Sarik Olecar wrote:
Also, I'd like to think this thread - which has giving many carebears their first taste of tears - will go on to inspire all sorts of crazy shenanigans as they desperately try to feed the new-found addiction...


What, 'crazy shenanigans' like whining even harder to CCP for more beneficial game mechanic changes and insane EHP buffs?

As an expert in 'tears' - must be some strange new definition of 'harvesting tears' that I am unaware of.
I thought that tears were something you earned 'in game', not through the petition process or the forums....Roll




You clearly show yourself as an expert in tears stuff, cry me another river plz?

brb
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#633 - 2012-07-26 19:35:31 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Then the answer is the same your ilk has always given to everybody else: adapt or quit.


yeah but at least your mining bots can operate in peace :shobon:


I don't have vast 0.0 safe space where to place mining bots and ratting bots like you do.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#634 - 2012-07-26 19:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Exhumers? Need a MAPC just to not suck complete balls.
Incorrect.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Not miners (or anyone else's) problem you can't find profit outside killing chinkens in hi sec.
…which doesn't really change the fact: the profit in ganking is in highsec.
Tuireann Naari
Doomheim
#635 - 2012-07-26 19:36:30 UTC
What, this again?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#636 - 2012-07-26 19:36:48 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Sarik Olecar wrote:
Also, I'd like to think this thread - which has giving many carebears their first taste of tears - will go on to inspire all sorts of crazy shenanigans as they desperately try to feed the new-found addiction...


What, 'crazy shenanigans' like whining even harder to CCP for more beneficial game mechanic changes and insane EHP buffs?

As an expert in 'tears' - must be some strange new definition of 'harvesting tears' that I am unaware of.
I thought that tears were something you earned 'in game', not through the petition process or the forums....Roll

There's so many forums tears I don't think they're worth much anymore. It's odd.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#637 - 2012-07-26 19:37:49 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The day every null sec player is not aloud by any means starting by NPC or Alt corporations to have full industrial organisations in high sec, mission corporations, shipping corporations, trading alts, High sec research/invention POS's and more funky stuff, then yep it will be time to change high sec.
But as far as every major null alliance has hundreds/thousands of those in high sec and don't stop crying about high sec they will always be laughed at for not being serious for one second.


"let's punish people for playing in nullsec"



You're reading backwards, try again and once again try to answer correctly instead of rabble the same old story you're pushing out now for a couple days.

Mining barges and ganking mechanic were clearly not balanced, it's not me who says it but some Dev knowing this game more decently then you or I do, balance will hit and now you'll have to put some effort instead of doing brainless stuff.
There's no problem with this, the only problem is your math knowledge and ability to recognise something wrong is going now in the right direction. You used and abused of a badly implemented stuff, they're about to correct it, you should be happy for your game.

And your bot argument you know where you can put it right? -I'm sure Shreegs gets a mad laugh at each post he reads because of this buff we're going to see more bots, jesus how can you guys be that dumb?


Your ideal of balance means you want 0 risk in high-sec so you can AFK mine to your hearts content.



Yet as you claim, you're the one running mining fleets.

And yet as I said several times, I play in null sec and have enough targets over there to have fun but you know, solo in null means always enormous risks witch obviously you don't want to take by staying depleting rocks and ice blocs in high sec.

Just say'in

brb
JamesCLK
#638 - 2012-07-26 19:38:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Exhumers? Need a DCU II just to not suck complete balls.

FYP

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DrSmegma
Smegma United
#639 - 2012-07-26 19:39:15 UTC
Can't titans be taken down by frigates btw? Where's the cost efficiency?

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#640 - 2012-07-26 19:39:51 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yesterday in Sirseshin, several times.


a tornado is a pretty expensive way to kill a hulk

it seems that you're angry because hulks are able to die in hisec???????


I am not angry, you seem to be a lot, though.

I have all the exhumers and all their mods BPCs or BPOs for invention AND Tornado BPOs AND destroyers BPOs.

So for what I care they can swing the nerf bat wherever they want I will still make money of the chumps who kill each other.

What I find tasty is the hypocrisy exposed, the though guys who are out to Reform EvE now crying orders of magnitude than the 4-5 idiot miners who create a cry thread a month.

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