EVE General Discussion

Its irrelevant to mineral prices. For the individual miner its very annoying to have to go about your chosen profession in a paper thin spaceship. Especially one that takes oh so much tasty tech to build...

Except in 0.0 there are MORE targets. Trust me, I've seen entire faction fit mining fleets destroyed (orca and all) by gankers. I've also seen entire mining fleets jump through a friendly gate camp right into gankers.

So maybe the INDIVIDUAL ship is worth less, but typically speaking if someone is AFK mining in 0.0 (yes, it happens A LOT) they have many accounts. AND you don't lose your ship if you loot the wreck and get away before the miner's friends show up.

Lo-sec/0.0
possibly less Income per miner (some are faction/Deadpsace fit) - (theoretically) no ship loss - ammo cost (if applicable)

Hi-sec
possibly more Income - guaranteed ship loss - ammo cost

So risk free, high profit is best for the game?

Super tank fitted mission boats are for botters (see the parallel?) or newbs whose tank skills suck.

I have done most L4 missions in a 800mm super gank fit maelstrom with only 1 invuln field II as tank.
I optimized income a lot doing this. If you are unable to do the same, though luck.

I know right? Nerf L4s to the ground, remove incursions from hisec and nerf hisec exploration into the ground. Then we'll talk about how bad "risk-free, high-profit" gameplay is for the game.

the people who will use them and care about the changes, are the new players training up for the Hulk, having actual useful ships to fly in the meantime as well as different roles, or well, more defined roles for the various ships that they gain access to along the way. Otherwise, like before those changes, someone will tell a new miner, don't bother flying anything other than a hulk. so that's 30 days or so of training that this new pilot is paying for and not learning anything about mining nor gaining any experience. once they finally afford one, since they have no experience, it get's popped, because they have no experience.

This all makes the growing pains for those who do have an interest in mining a little bit easier on the training grind.

It called rebalance. using this logic maybe cruisers, frigs and destroyers should have their armor reduced instead?

When did highsec exploration get nerfed? Last I saw it got a huge buff so asshats couldn't hold the sites open all day to prevent people from getting the items they were trying to sell. Also didn't they just add more sites? I'm confused.
Could swear that as soon as that changed it went from no sites in a 10 system spread to at least 100m isk/hr in highsec sites

Yes.

This game, and the narratives and enjoyment found therein are built upon a fully functional player driven economy. If one of the core concepts of that economy (risk vs reward) is being ignored to placate players who suffered mining losses, then the game as a whole will suffer and its long term health must be questioned.


This game, and the narratives and enjoyment found therein are built upon player interaction. If one of the core concepts of that player interaction is being changed to placate players who suffered mining losses, then the game as a whole will suffer and its long term health must be questioned.

I have no problem with mining vessels getting a boost to their tank capabilities. But I have a problem when said mining vessels become so hardy that it is literally infeasible to attack one in hi security space. I wouldn't have a problem if said hi security space was suddenly devoid of minerals or the mining of said minerals was subject to such onerus taxation that mining vessels were more frequently seen in lo security space, because that would mean more player interaction.

That would mean things like the new war decc mechanics and mercenary system that CCP is trying to employ might actually see some use. Mining vessels with much more tank could actually be "saved' from gankers by mercenary protectors, or if not, perhaps at least avenge those brave miners whose newly buffed tanks required the use of a Battleship on part of the gankers to destroy.

I understand that many players like the relaxation of just going out and mining some rocks, but making such activity as risk and effort free as possible will have bad consequences for the whole of the game. Miners may be rejoicing now, but when their profits hit an all time low, and the sheer volume they will have to overturn to make a fraction of the profit they currently enjoy, occurs, I wonder what you will be saying then.

first you talk about "abloo gankers are telling us how to play the game"

now you're telling gankers how to play the game

gankers are obviously mongoloids who can't figure out any of the more complex parts of the game, like mining

"f1-f3, move ore to orca every 5 minutes, refine with refining alt, haul to jita" is something so complex that a ganker couldn't figure out in a lifetime, unlike the sophisticates who mine