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Pirate ships with HUGE damage bonuses
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Jonas Land
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-26 17:09:49 UTC
Ok....... I love the pirate ships.... BUT... I have a question for CCP...

When can the missle ship pilots in the game expect a pirate or faction ship with the HUGE DAMAGE BONUSES that are available for the projectile and hybrid ships???

CCP are always posting blogs about 'balance' and changing ships to make them more compatible and so called 'even out the playing field'...

Well seems to me that you guys are overlooking a big part of your player base.

Missle boat pilots make up a big part of the players in EVE, so how about a pirate ship that gives the huge damage bonuses to rockets...


I like to pvp and would like to get into it a lot more than i am now. Well my main account toon is trained in missles, and I'm sure a lot of players will agree that missle boats have been COMPLETELY overlooked in the PvP fields.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE put some thought into a pirate faction missle boat...
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-07-26 17:17:08 UTC
Faction ships aren't supposed to be similar, they're supposed to reflect the traits of their respective factions.
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-07-26 17:22:16 UTC
You are correct sir...

So what happened the the Dramiel.... the pirate ship that USED to be a rocket boat?

Like I said... missles are completely overlooked.

How is the game 'balanced' when there are no ships (available for mass purchase) anywhere in the EVE universe that are missle platformed with the 100-200% damage bonuses that are available to projectiles and hybrids?

I say either give us the Drami back... or completely remove the insane damage bonuses all together.

CCP preaches fair play and balance... really not seeing it.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#4 - 2012-07-26 17:24:23 UTC
Jonas Land wrote:
la lot of players will agree that missle boats have been COMPLETELY overlooked in the PvP fields.


Rank Ships Kills
1 Drake 308916
2 Tengu 115724

More than the top 10 turret ships combined.


I don't see why you need a pirate one when there are the fleet typhoon, navy raven, navy scorpion, and golem
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2012-07-26 17:30:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Jonas Land wrote:
When can the missle ship pilots in the game expect a pirate or faction ship with the HUGE DAMAGE BONUSES that are available for the projectile and hybrid ships???


As soon as I get my drone Marauder.

Jonas Land wrote:
I like to pvp and would like to get into it a lot more than i am now. Well my main account toon is trained in missles, and I'm sure a lot of players will agree that missle boats have been COMPLETELY overlooked in the PvP fields.


Except for the Hawk, Hookbill, Vengeance, Caracal, Drake, Sacrilege, and Tengu and did I say Drake? missiles have indeed been COMPLETELY overlooked. And that's not even counting any of the lesser-used ones or the missile ships that aren't known for their use of missiles but still see action (Rook, Damnation, Anathema, Curse).

Jonas Land wrote:
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE put some thought into a pirate faction missle boat...


I actually sort of agree with this but your logic is horrible.

Edit because :facepalm:


Jonas Land wrote:
How is the game 'balanced' when there are no ships (available for mass purchase) anywhere in the EVE universe that are missle platformed with the 100-200% damage bonuses that are available to projectiles and hybrids?


The only ships with 100% damage bonuses are Marauders and the Sansha line. There is a missile Marauder. Sansha ships don't use projectiles or hybrids.
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-07-26 17:33:59 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
When can the missle ship pilots in the game expect a pirate or faction ship with the HUGE DAMAGE BONUSES that are available for the projectile and hybrid ships???


As soon as I get my drone Marauder.

Jonas Land wrote:
I like to pvp and would like to get into it a lot more than i am now. Well my main account toon is trained in missles, and I'm sure a lot of players will agree that missle boats have been COMPLETELY overlooked in the PvP fields.


Except for the Hawk, Hookbill, Vengeance, Caracal, Drake, Sacrilege, and Tengu and did I say Drake? missiles have indeed been COMPLETELY overlooked. And that's not even counting any of the lesser-used ones or the missile ships that aren't known for their use of missiles but still see action (Rook, Damnation, Anathema, Curse).

Jonas Land wrote:
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE put some thought into a pirate faction missle boat...


I actually sort of agree with this but your logic is horrible.




OK.... maybe you missed the part of my post where I asked about the 100-200% damage bonuses on the frigates? And besides since you brought cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships into it.... show me a single missle platform with 100% damage bonuses..... anywhere in EVE.
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-07-26 17:35:41 UTC
Wait.... Im sorry... yes the Golem does have the damage bonuses... but comeon..... Golems are not worth spitting on in solo pvp and we all know it...
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2012-07-26 17:35:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Jonas Land wrote:
OK.... maybe you missed the part of my post where I asked about the 100-200% damage bonuses on the frigates?


Probably because it doesn't exist. Maybe you meant to include it, but it's not there.


Jonas Land wrote:
And besides since you brought cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships into it.... show me a single missle platform with 100% damage bonuses..... anywhere in EVE.


Golem.

Edit: ok, I forgot that the Firetail and Comet get up to 100% and the Slicer 125% as well. But then so does the Hookbill, so....
FireT
Venom Pointe Industries
#9 - 2012-07-26 17:36:43 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
When can the missle ship pilots in the game expect a pirate or faction ship with the HUGE DAMAGE BONUSES that are available for the projectile and hybrid ships???


As soon as I get my drone Marauder.


Actually I have been waiting.... and wasting.... my maxed out drone skills for such a ship.
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-07-26 17:44:15 UTC
Ok... just so all the nit-pickers and perfectionists in the game are satisfied... I'll make it more clear...


There are no missle platform FRIGATES in the game with the damage bonuses of the Cruor, Daredevil, Dramiel, Succubus...

All platforms are covered EXCEPT missles ( and yes drones).
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-07-26 17:49:27 UTC
Jonas Land wrote:
OK.... maybe you missed the part...


Where in many dev posts, and other places CCP stated (and has started with some T1 frigs) a bottom up rebalancing of all ships in the game.

Seems to me that maybe just maybe they will be looking at pirate ships as well?
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-07-26 17:54:50 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
OK.... maybe you missed the part...


Where in many dev posts, and other places CCP stated (and has started with some T1 frigs) a bottom up rebalancing of all ships in the game.

Seems to me that maybe just maybe they will be looking at pirate ships as well?



Well... we can only hope... the best missle based frigate i have found is the Hawk ( just my preference, so please dont't take that as I'm trying to state a fact or anything like that)... and lets be honest... it doesn't stand a chance against a pirate ship with 200% damage bonuses.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#13 - 2012-07-26 17:56:43 UTC
Golem: Technically fits your '100%' criteria

To be fair, I posted a similar post like this some years back. The thing that people pointed out was, most missile ships have the MASSIVE TANK. Rattlesnake, Navy Scorpion can still do 1200+ DPS and have insane amounts of tank. They also have selectable damage type and range on their side.

As for frigates.... maybe it's just me.... they're frigates, who cares?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2012-07-26 17:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Jonas Land wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
OK.... maybe you missed the part...


Where in many dev posts, and other places CCP stated (and has started with some T1 frigs) a bottom up rebalancing of all ships in the game.

Seems to me that maybe just maybe they will be looking at pirate ships as well?



Well... we can only hope... the best missle based frigate i have found is the Hawk ( just my preference, so please dont't take that as I'm trying to state a fact or anything like that)... and lets be honest... it doesn't stand a chance against a pirate ship with 200% damage bonuses.


Sure it does.

-Liang

Ed: Also, why focus on the huge damage bonus with few launcher/turrets? Shouldn't you be looking at effective turrets/launchers?

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-26 18:01:20 UTC
Basically.... The best thing i can do is completely retrain my toon to use guns... because if the big alliances and GMs arent using the ship... then they wont boost it.
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-07-26 18:05:16 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
OK.... maybe you missed the part...


Where in many dev posts, and other places CCP stated (and has started with some T1 frigs) a bottom up rebalancing of all ships in the game.

Seems to me that maybe just maybe they will be looking at pirate ships as well?



Well... we can only hope... the best missle based frigate i have found is the Hawk ( just my preference, so please dont't take that as I'm trying to state a fact or anything like that)... and lets be honest... it doesn't stand a chance against a pirate ship with 200% damage bonuses.


Sure it does.

-Liang

Ed: Also, why focus on the huge damage bonus with few launcher/turrets? Shouldn't you be looking at effective turrets/launchers?



Some of those pirate frigates can do in excess of 500 dps... You can kill a battleship with them... how can a frigate doing 200 dps compete with that?

If you take 2 pilots, maxed skills on their platform of choice... one in a Hawk, one in a Daredevil... the Hawk doesnt stand a chance. And since SOLO PvP is mainly going to be centered around frigates... Well? Where's the balance at?
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#17 - 2012-07-26 18:09:06 UTC
see what we need hear is a minie/caldari pirate faction and its crazy missiles and no tank.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-07-26 18:11:34 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
see what we need hear is a minie/caldari pirate faction and its crazy missiles and no tank.





Agreed
Jonas Land
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-07-26 18:18:19 UTC
Cambion........ I want to see a ship like this in game for mass availability.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#20 - 2012-07-26 18:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Jonas Land wrote:

Some of those pirate frigates can do in excess of 500 dps... You can kill a battleship with them... how can a frigate doing 200 dps compete with that?

If you take 2 pilots, maxed skills on their platform of choice... one in a Hawk, one in a Daredevil... the Hawk doesnt stand a chance. And since SOLO PvP is mainly going to be centered around frigates... Well? Where's the balance at?


You are literally clueless about frig PVP. And really, PVP in general. A few comments:
- A 500 DPS frigate is a paper tiger with almost no range.
- I've seen a battleship downed by way less than 200 DPS. I saw a Sentinel do it once. :)
- I'd say the most likely outcome of two competent pilots in a Hawk/Daredevil is a stalemate. The Daredevil isn't likely to kill the Hawk and the Hawk isn't likely to pin the Daredevil down because of the web bonus.
- I'd say the most likely outcome of two competent pilots in a Hawk / Enyo is a dead Enyo. :)
- Solo PVP happens in whatever ship you happen to be in. I've done solo PVP in everything from noob ships to carriers.

If you're interested in solo PVP, why don't you swing by Amamake? :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
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