EVE General Discussion

I'm in favor of MOST of the changes. There has always been the trade-off between yield and tank. The Skiff is basically just CCP copying the specs of a mining battleship.

Seeing as no one seems to be posting actual specs on these ships (I'm not digging through a 20-page thread looking for them, so if I missed them....v0v) I can't comment on the specifics in SiSi right now.

Nice story.. Not like ccp's tweaks will change much.. Miners will still get ganked. By smart or stupid gankers verses smart or stupid miners. Its a gamble boys and girls... let the dice roll.

CCP shouldnt be in the business of saying what they do and dont want us to do. Their only responsibility is to maintain a fair and balanced sandbox for us to decide what we should be doing. Profitability of ganks is entirely situational.

Now, i can see how it could be argued that the current 'status quo' is biased against the miner, and as such I am not against changes to the stats of ships miners would use. (they buffed destroyers a bit, so i dont mind a mining barge buff in equal measure)

My problem is the current proposed stats, as they currenty are, pushes the balance far to much the other way.

Also, for all our sakes, stop using the 'my ship is more expensive than yours, you shouldnt be able to kill me' argument, it doesnt wash, this isnt WoW Battlegrounds or diablo3.

So, if we don't use the ISK argument, if they buffed dreads and you could drop a single suicide dread on a SC and kill the SC in 2 volleys, would that be OK as well?

i don't disagree on some points; i do think the skiff's ehp is a little overkill. in reality all the hulk needs is enough cpu/pg to fill all of its slots without HAVING to have a fitting mod to fit a tank.

again it's not the fact that the cheap ship can kill the expensive one; it's how fast they do it. it's vital for small ships to be able to kill big ships for the balance of the game, however when they're doing it so quickly, to a ship that has no way of responding in kind... i mean, my hulk costs more than a hurricane, or a drake, or a tornado, or a multitude of other ships; however i'd be perfectly ok if a tornado or one of the other ships ganked be because we both lost out.

So.

Which quote did you lie in?

Someone missed the ENTIRE point.
Its not supposed to be good profits to gank a Hulk mining in a belt.
OFCOURSE its still gonna be profitable to gank people hauling around valuable stuff.
Or else they would need to, in theory, find a way to make it more expensive to get a ship able to gank an Ibis hauling 5 plex than whatever you might get from the drop after the Ibis is dead, which in theory could be 5 plex = 2bil +

neither. the profitability of suicide ganking in this context has nothing to do with cargo value, stop thinking it does.

are you really that dumb?

100% agree.


If these changes go live, something needs to counterbalance the nigh invulnerability of these mining ships. As others have said, I fear it will have unintended consequences. You devs may be trying to help out the "little guy" but all this will do is make that "little guy's" miner subscription evaporate when their profit sinks to **** as they cannot compete with the hordes of multi account /AFK/ bot miners.


IMO, everything in EVE should be about player interaction, not pushing us all into little pockets of space. Is this game a sandbox or is it a theme park? Is it an economic and space warfare simulator or is it a "farm and stat boost" role playing game?


I propose a heavy tax on all activity in Hi-Sec. Missions, mining, production, everything. I severely doubt the US gov't and all the powerful corporations in the us would allow me to go mining for gold wherever I wanted somewhere in New Jersey and that if I did find something that I wouldn't immediately be pressured/sued/incarcerated into selling the rights to the land or never going near where I found the gold again. Something needs to sustain these empires and Concord, right? If you want to AFK mine, fine, go ahead, but if you do so in Hi-Sec you should net very little if any profit after huge taxes for doing so in Empire space. It is their asteroid after all.


Or just keep segregating us. I made an account last summer, played the game for a month or 2, had almost zero interaction with anyone else, got bored, and quit. I came back last month, and while FW has been fun, and I plan on finding an actual human corp whenever I get some more free time to do so, I am telling you that as someone who cares about gameplay, rewarding those who stubbornly and ignorantly refuse to adhere to the current gameplay is a terrible idea. All you will be left with in a year's time will be mining bots.

I'm pretty sure that isn't working out well for Zynga...