EVE General Discussion

The numbers hit SISI, so we've been shown that all of the Exhumers are getting a massive, free, tank buff.

NERF RED JACKETS!

mission runners dont fit thier ships with PvP in mind. why should miners?

I dont even run missions, I run sites and i do so in the most pve efficient fit possible to make the most money. Its Isk vs yeild, Personally I dont see the difference (although mining is terribly boring).

lol @ this thread

Well, as long as you get the balance right i dont think anybody can seriously complain...

As it stands, we have cause for concern.

Just one example - Why should an Exhumer get a greater shield resists per level bonus than a HIC?

edit - its as if the stats have been dreamed up by a DEV thats been suicide ganked on his alt account one too many times

That's not a good metric to balance things against at all. Nobody's complaining that miners can defend themselves. What people are complaining about is you're doing it for them, by default. The hulk is getting a flat EHP buff for all fits. That's what people are annoyed about, the dumbing down of the game. I -and most people - would have no problem at all if you increased the ability of miner pilots to fit a tank if that's what they choose to do. But that's not what was done.

It's also immensely frustrating that highsec moneymaking gets buff after buff, while 0.0, which has needed better sources of individual moneymaking for the better part of a decade, gets nothing. And it's not like the problem has gone unseen: everyone admits 0.0 is broken but our fixes get pushed off to the infamous "Soon(TM)". A few miners, who can't fit their ships, get ganked and what happens? An entire line of ships is rapidly redesigned to eliminate all real risk.

So if some cunning individuals are planning on ganking officer fit mission runners, they should have to come with 600 players for one gank? I'm sorry but your logic is flawed. That means you either lie to us or to yourself.

What you have done with the plain HP buff of dedicated mining ships is to remove the risk to field those ships even outside of hulkageddon down to 0. That will have consequences. I'm not going to talk you out of it. You wont change your mind anyway and I would lose the "told you so"-option. (And the consequences of that change will act in my favour, even without any need to mine on my side.) But please keep in mind that your job is not to make the game easier for the general public. It's to make it better for all players.

I think what he is trying to say is suicide banking is a vital part of game mechanics that he in no way what to remove

however, it is supposed to be a measure taken to inflict pain on someone at all costs and those costs should be born by the ganker not the victim.

So go ahead and bank all you want, but if a Hulk costs 289mil, then it should take more than 289mil worth of ships to bank it

All the talk about profitability are about hull prices, not some dumbs carrying 40bil worth of a **** in a shuttle

If you are doing it right, the cargo should suffice

I find it amusing that some folk believe that ganking miners is only really done for profit, and that tanking a Hulk etc would make it more or less gank proof as it would not yield a profit to the gankers.

Miner tears, my dear fellow Eve pilots, and the more expensive the tears from the miner, the better.