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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#241 - 2012-07-25 21:23:57 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Reduced crime? Except that your fellows got 7x more chances to be murdered than mine.

Actually, their chances to be shot dead are 4x our chances to be murdered at all...

Anyway, as i stated already, American people want it this way, so, who am I/are we to judge?


Give it some time. It was already stated that your country has a huge drug trafficking problem. And from your comments it seems you guys don't have a problem with it. Well, let me tell you what's gonna happen in the future if you don't fix that issue right now:

1) Traffickers will get greedy and start taking down other traffickers to get a bigger piece of the pie for themselves.

2) They soon realize that the trafficker with most guns usually wins.

3) They'll also realize that the same smuggling apparatus use to smuggle drugs, could very well be used to smuggle guns.

4) Those in the trafficker's payroll learn that guns are an excellent crime tool.

5) Ex traffickers looking for alternative methods of income, start using the guns to rob people.

6) Law abiding citizens who have no guns become prey.

If you don't believe it you can check the crime stats of every country that has a drug trafficking problem. Even the US some 50 years ago, was a lot more peaceful that it is now. Ask somebody from Colombia, or Mexico, or Puerto Rico... same story over and over again.

If you take guns away from law abiding citizens is the US, you gonna disarm the victims-to-be. You won't disarm the criminals. The only thing keeping criminals from busting trough these nice glass windows of mine is the possibility that I might be packing. It's called deterrence. And it works very well.

But I don't have to keep my examples to home-security. We could use something else like, border crossing between nations. Imagine you were forced to cross a border and you are given 2 choices. You could even cross from Mexico to US, or you could try crossing from Cuba to Guantanamo. Which one would you choose and why?





It's already that way, we're just dealing with somebody who has no clue whatsoever what is really going on behind closed doors in his/her city. Not that this has stopped them from being a e-preacher.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#242 - 2012-07-26 00:10:29 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Reduced crime? Except that your fellows got 7x more chances to be murdered than mine.

Actually, their chances to be shot dead are 4x our chances to be murdered at all...

Anyway, as i stated already, American people want it this way, so, who am I/are we to judge?


Give it some time. It was already stated that your country has a huge drug trafficking problem. And from your comments it seems you guys don't have a problem with it. Well, let me tell you what's gonna happen in the future if you don't fix that issue right now:

1) Traffickers will get greedy and start taking down other traffickers to get a bigger piece of the pie for themselves.

2) They soon realize that the trafficker with most guns usually wins.

3) They'll also realize that the same smuggling apparatus use to smuggle drugs, could very well be used to smuggle guns.

4) Those in the trafficker's payroll learn that guns are an excellent crime tool.

5) Ex traffickers looking for alternative methods of income, start using the guns to rob people.

6) Law abiding citizens who have no guns become prey.

If you don't believe it you can check the crime stats of every country that has a drug trafficking problem. Even the US some 50 years ago, was a lot more peaceful that it is now. Ask somebody from Colombia, or Mexico, or Puerto Rico... same story over and over again.

If you take guns away from law abiding citizens is the US, you gonna disarm the victims-to-be. You won't disarm the criminals. The only thing keeping criminals from busting trough these nice glass windows of mine is the possibility that I might be packing. It's called deterrence. And it works very well.

But I don't have to keep my examples to home-security. We could use something else like, border crossing between nations. Imagine you were forced to cross a border and you are given 2 choices. You could even cross from Mexico to US, or you could try crossing from Cuba to Guantanamo. Which one would you choose and why?





You also leave out that the most proficient traffickers are the governments that pretend to fight trafficking.


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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#243 - 2012-07-26 00:22:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

You also leave out that the most proficient traffickers are the governments that pretend to fight trafficking.


Oh heck yeah. There's a reason why traffickers keep working with only minor busts here and there. It's just like in-game Concord, you pay your wardec fee and authorities look the other way for a week.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#244 - 2012-07-26 11:57:43 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Much of the "American Blame Game" is media driven...


Jordan Ghawi, brother of victim Jessica Ghawi: Here's the thing, we can try to politicize this and make some sort of polarizing debate and make this a tenet of the election, but that's not what we're here to do right now. We're here to celebrate the lives of the victims that have been lost.

If somebody wants to do harm to somebody, they're going to find a way to do it. Whether it be with a weapon, such as a rifle or whether it be with any sort of means we should actually start to think about why people are doing this. And the reason why they're doing this is because they want their names out there.


4 guys died saving their girlfriends, that's noble.

Please don't try to lump us all in with the stereotype... some of us are way better marksmen than that failure.... 4 guns and 12 dead in a crowded theater? Pathetic...



I am sure the AK versus AR debaters are going to be all over this for a while.


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Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#245 - 2012-07-26 12:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
Guns are bad, mmmkay
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#246 - 2012-07-26 12:56:47 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I am sure the AK versus AR debaters are going to be all over this for a while.

***** please. It's all about the G36! :D


Ha ha ha... I forgot this is an International forum. Expect Belgium to show up soon voting for the P90.

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Jed Bobby
Doomheim
#247 - 2012-07-26 15:01:50 UTC
im jus her to tell ye that ye aint gon take my guns


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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#248 - 2012-07-26 20:04:29 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Reduced crime? Except that your fellows got 7x more chances to be murdered than mine.

Actually, their chances to be shot dead are 4x our chances to be murdered at all...

Anyway, as i stated already, American people want it this way, so, who am I/are we to judge?


Give it some time. It was already stated that your country has a huge drug trafficking problem. And from your comments it seems you guys don't have a problem with it. Well, let me tell you what's gonna happen in the future if you don't fix that issue right now:

1) Traffickers will get greedy and start taking down other traffickers to get a bigger piece of the pie for themselves.

2) They soon realize that the trafficker with most guns usually wins.

3) They'll also realize that the same smuggling apparatus use to smuggle drugs, could very well be used to smuggle guns.

4) Those in the trafficker's payroll learn that guns are an excellent crime tool.

5) Ex traffickers looking for alternative methods of income, start using the guns to rob people.

6) Law abiding citizens who have no guns become prey.

If you don't believe it you can check the crime stats of every country that has a drug trafficking problem. Even the US some 50 years ago, was a lot more peaceful that it is now. Ask somebody from Colombia, or Mexico, or Puerto Rico... same story over and over again.

If you take guns away from law abiding citizens is the US, you gonna disarm the victims-to-be. You won't disarm the criminals. The only thing keeping criminals from busting trough these nice glass windows of mine is the possibility that I might be packing. It's called deterrence. And it works very well.

But I don't have to keep my examples to home-security. We could use something else like, border crossing between nations. Imagine you were forced to cross a border and you are given 2 choices. You could even cross from Mexico to US, or you could try crossing from Cuba to Guantanamo. Which one would you choose and why?




Oh, come on... we already had a serious issue with heroine traffic and comsumption in the 80s, specially in Galicia. And don't even get me started on terrorism... But, this is not the USA. We had some bad times in the late 70s an early 80s (but then, our GDP per capita was half the european average). Now we have 25% unemployemnt and 50% among the youth and we're still standing in one piece... shaked but still not shattered.

As for armed crime, currently every burglar with half a functional brain knows this: firearms are bad.

Let's say i get into your shop, take 400 euros form your cash counter... that's a minor offence and i won't go to jail no matter if do it 150 times.

Let's say i come into your shop with a gun, take 1 euro and i am caught. Well then, that means 3 years of prison, just for having the gun. Did i threaten you with it? Two more years. That's 5 years just for bringing in a gun, no matter if I actually stole anything from you. And then as spanish shop owners rarely are armed with firearms, what's the logical consequence? Assaulters bring along knives, bats, screwdrivers, or plain good old fists. It's "cheaper" than bringing in a gun.

And by the way, Spain has got one of the toughest criminal codes in Europe, although Spaniards usually complain that it's too lenient...

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#249 - 2012-07-26 20:17:30 UTC
Are you seriously still trying? And LOL at your attempt to think like a bad guy. Joker boy here is going to get death and if he doesn't then it most certainly will be life with no parole. Do you think he contemplated that bringing a weapon may be bad? How about many of the other thousands of felons that we have in our prisons who beat, stabbed, bludgeoned, drowned, poisoned, hung, or shot their victims.

I have a scar that goes across my chest because the other guy didn't think twice that a knife would add 4 years to his sentence, he only cared about ******* me up at the moment. 4-5 years is a walk in the park for some of these guys. 3 meals a day, roof over your head, company with similar tastes. Just gotta keep the rules of the playground at the front of your mind and you're good to go.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#250 - 2012-07-26 20:31:54 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Are you seriously still trying? And LOL at your attempt to think like a bad guy. Joker boy here is going to get death and if he doesn't then it most certainly will be life with no parole. Do you think he contemplated that bringing a weapon may be bad? How about many of the other thousands of felons that we have in our prisons who beat, stabbed, bludgeoned, drowned, poisoned, hung, or shot their victims.

I have a scar that goes across my chest because the other guy didn't think twice that a knife would add 4 years to his sentence, he only cared about ******* me up at the moment. 4-5 years is a walk in the park for some of these guys. 3 meals a day, roof over your head, company with similar tastes. Just gotta keep the rules of the playground at the front of your mind and you're good to go.


As i said, here's not the USA, and armed assaults and armed burglary rarely involves firearmrs unless the victim is an armed criminal.

Anyway, I am amused that you are so proud of your tough criminals who used to bring frearms to schools... Lol

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#251 - 2012-07-26 21:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

armed assaults and armed burglary rarely involves firearmrs unless the victim is an armed criminal.




Edit: I just reread that. Unless the victim is an armed criminal....

If the victim is an armed criminal I'm thinking that he's not going to be a victim and I'm thinking the one doing the assault or burglary just chose the wrong house to step into.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#252 - 2012-07-26 21:58:20 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

armed assaults and armed burglary rarely involves firearmrs unless the victim is an armed criminal.




Edit: I just reread that. Unless the victim is an armed criminal....

If the victim is an armed criminal I'm thinking that he's not going to be a victim and I'm thinking the one doing the assault or burglary just chose the wrong house to step into.


No, what i mean is that in most cases criminals only grab firearms when they plan to assault other criminals. Just a few months ago, Police dismantled a gang that had been robbing drug dealers... for obvious reasons, the victims woudn't go to the police, and the gang was cunning enough to outsmart their vicitms (but not the Police; some of the gangster thought it would be smart to deal with the stolen drugs and polcie added A+B as to what was going on in the underworld).

The idea of assualting drug dealers is kind of hilarious but, they heisted some 2 million euros in the process and got away with it for almost a year...

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#253 - 2012-07-26 22:07:02 UTC
And meanwhile in Colorado...

Uninsured Aurora survivor faces $ 2,000,000 in medical bills

Get shot in your head, live, and pay U$ 2,000,000 even although you're too poor to be insured. Lol

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#254 - 2012-07-26 22:07:22 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


No, what i mean is that in most cases criminals only grab firearms when they plan to assault other criminals.



Ah, I see boy wonder here is trying to tell us how a criminal organization is ran again. Personally I would love to drop you off in the projects for a night and let the hilarity ensue. Well, it'd be funny for me at least.

So, do your criminal organizations schedule these raids as well? Do they send in questionnaires to their potential victims for some data mining solutions? Inquiring minds want to know!

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#255 - 2012-07-26 22:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
Oh oh... this issue just got escalated:

"belong in the hands of soldiers not in the hands of criminals"

Shocked - oh no he didn't!

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#256 - 2012-07-27 06:15:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Any Russians here that can tell me about this?


And...



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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#257 - 2012-07-27 06:58:30 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Any Russians here that can tell me about this?


And...



Doing it because you canTwisted


noble attempts, but the worlds largest arms dealers are the US, UK, Russia, France, and China... guess who are the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council P

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Big Bossu
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#258 - 2012-07-27 10:46:05 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
And meanwhile in Colorado...

Uninsured Aurora survivor faces $ 2,000,000 in medical bills

Get shot in your head, live, and pay U$ 2,000,000 even although you're too poor to be insured. Lol


But instead of getting health insurance, go to movie premiers?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#259 - 2012-07-27 14:38:05 UTC
People without the heat will resort to other means...



and get stopped by someone with a gun.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#260 - 2012-07-27 15:15:22 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

...If the victim is an armed criminal...


At this point you are just trolling trolling. If you were to say such a thing inside a female support group for sexual crime victims.... troll troll troll... I'm not gonna discuss anything else with you. You are just a troll.

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