EVE General Discussion

actual he is right you are the one who is always complaining about this and that and how CCP has ruined this game beyond repair , if you are really that negative why you still bother , because to be honest people getting tired about your complaing

My testing on SiSi (Dual-instancing my manu/indi alt in a tank-fit Procurer and my max-skill combat "co-main") has shown so far, that that one at least, is not so easy to gank, but I think it still can be done--just not solo.

Fit, new Procurer -- "HMCS Bring It, *****"

HI
1 x Strip Miner I

MID
1 x Medium Shield Extender II

LO
1 x Damage Control II
1 x Mining Laser Upgrade I

RIG
2 x EM Resist I
1 x Thermal Resist I

Ca. 46k EHP in-game, lowest resist Kinetic (like 46-48%, something like)

Tested solo-gank ships, in a 0.5 rated system.

Drake:

Full skill, T II HAM, all T II BCU, 2 x Target Painters, Scourge Rage missiles, range near zero -- knocked it down to around 50% shields before CONCORDokken.

Manticore:

Full skills (except for Torp Specialisation at level 4), T II Torpedo Launchers, faction T I missiles, 2 BCU II, one damage-mod rig, one RoF rig, 2 BCU II, 3 Target Painters -- approx 55-60% shields before urp-splosion by the pigs.

Tornado:

Full skills, 8x 1400mm T II Arty, 4 T II Gyrostabs, 2 Tracking Computers, range-scripted. Powergrid rig needed, 2 TPs, Quake ammo about 15km range (well within optimal).

This blapped through the shields and into armour (I was able to get two volleys off with heating, plus the Proc had taken some shield damage from belt rats) before lolololwtfinstaBBQ.

Typhoon:

Near full skill, (Minni BS and TorpSpec at 4, smartbomb skill at 3, all else 5) 5 x T II Torp Launchers, CalNavy Kinetics again, plus 3 named Kinetic smartbombs at near-zero, 2 Target Painters, CPU rig and CPU mod needed, 5 BCU II -- I derp'ed on the torps (de-cycled them by accident, durrrrr...), but will try again after SiSi reboots, as this was going into SiSi downtime, only got down to about 50% shields, but needs re-try for reasons stated.

Even still, got it to around 35-40% shields, so this bears closer attention.


Perliminary conclusions:

Two or three Tornados with high skills--or maybe the Torp/Disco 'Phoons?--needed to urp-splode this in a 0.5, at least one more per every +0.1 of system sec, or use the same money to buy a small(-ish) fleet of SBs, get in close cloaky-cloaky and derp the **** out of the target.

The latter seems much more cost-effective, especially as you might score good salvage from the T II wrecks (only they'd be yours instead of the target's from now on, I guess)...

And with cloaks, is much more lol-worthy.

People with blinky-blinky sec status should probably use the 'Nados, or a big destroyer (Catalyst) fleet with Orca assistance (don't forget the potential value of Skirmishing and/or Info-warfare links on the Orca, either.).

SiSi is in its downtime at the moment, but retesting of the 'Phoon, and testing against the un-tanked (just rigs) Proc to follow...

So you can quit your crying and bleating now, carebears, you just got a huge buff -- the alt can't fly any higher-tier mining barges just yet, so no report there -- now you just have to be smart about using it, keep an eye on local and D-Scan, and orbit your rocks, or mine aligned whilst having a corpie or alt web you to stay in range.

Well that's nice but haven't we just had about 6 months of miners telling us that 27k EHP is worthless because gankers can always summon up five more gankers?

Yeah, so is 50k EHP, they really just need more EHP ...

my oh my what a can of worms i open lols.

i never said ganking will stop with the barge buff far from it but it did kill the solo ganks and that were i get to laugh and as for though saying they going to wait untill after the patch to get me more lols.

enter my belt and there wont be a hulk or a mack mining your scout found it will be a command ship waiting i dont mine alone ever.

thing about orcas they have a hanger and if you cant insta pop me i can just change ships before it pop and i have a fresh combat ship and your about to meet concord and i get the kills mails so lols.

Are you really suggesting that they can actually comprehend the implications of this change?
Don't be naive.

Is now a good time to admit that I've always loved you?

EDIT: will 10 mill be enough to put T2 guns on those noobships?

The T1s are cheaper and you don't pay a price on hulls (well there's the effort of getting a new one, which you will after you lose the one you're in.)

Shouldn't we use Ibises for the blaster damage?

of course, so really when mineral prices are low; nobody loses. people gaining isk from missioning can buy more stuff per mission so they gain, and as i pointed out miners don't really care one way or another so nobody loses out. i know goons are benefiting from high mineral prices in some way, that's no secret. however generally low prices are better for the majority i'd say.

less time spent doing the boring stuff, more time doing the fun stuff. at least, from my perspective.

CCP said that mining is supposed to be a low involvement activity, I don't see anything wrong with the boost. I applaud the boost. Let the miners turn on their lasers, go afk for 5/10 mins and come back to dump ore from cargo hold to ore hold. It certainly isn't handing botters anything as ccp is pretty good now at finding the bots and dealing with them.