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Tuskers Announcing Third Party Ransom Service

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#101 - 2012-07-25 19:34:46 UTC
Tropa de Logoffski from 2007.

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Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-07-25 19:40:26 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
Also, being a pirate... I would never trust another pirate corp to hold my ransoms. That would just be a stupid mistake on my part.

No matter what your "code" says.


That isn't to say that I don't think other pirates should give this service a shot.

I have no idea if it is legitimate or not, so I can't make any actually claims.

I'd like to think it is a good service to use, especially for new pirate corps trying to gain credibility.

But I will never take the risk in using it seeing as I have no need for it.


Good luck with this Tuskers o7

I'm back!
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-07-25 19:52:27 UTC
Strider Hiryu wrote:
Just to clarify, does a tuskers representative fly to the place where to ransom is occuring?

Seeing as you guys only fly frigs that shouldnt be too much of a problem.

I can only see one problem with this service you offer.
If the person being ransomed gives tuskers the isk, the pirate let him go, but the person being ransomed simply says he is still being tackled, who will get the isk? Without someone on grid to confirm this, I'm assuming the person being ransomed will get thier isk back?

Anyways, good luck in this venture and may your frigates forever fly fast!


This is a good point too. If the tackled missions runner (or whatever) claims he is still tackled post Tuskers receiving the isk, won't the Tuskers just give him the iso back? Seems to be a hole in the process that needs to be addressed.

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Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2012-07-25 19:56:18 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
Strider Hiryu wrote:
Just to clarify, does a tuskers representative fly to the place where to ransom is occuring?

Seeing as you guys only fly frigs that shouldnt be too much of a problem.

I can only see one problem with this service you offer.
If the person being ransomed gives tuskers the isk, the pirate let him go, but the person being ransomed simply says he is still being tackled, who will get the isk? Without someone on grid to confirm this, I'm assuming the person being ransomed will get thier isk back?

Anyways, good luck in this venture and may your frigates forever fly fast!


This is a good point too. If the tackled missions runner (or whatever) claims he is still tackled post Tuskers receiving the isk, won't the Tuskers just give him the iso back? Seems to be a hole in the process that needs to be addressed.


I read your answer to this question... the one about taking a screenshot. That seems like even more work added to the already long process of this Third Party Ransom service.

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Grog Drinker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-07-25 19:58:01 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:

This is a good point too. If the tackled missions runner (or whatever) claims he is still tackled post Tuskers receiving the isk, won't the Tuskers just give him the iso back? Seems to be a hole in the process that needs to be addressed.


The pirate/ransomer in this case would obviously state that he did indeed let the victim go and it would be the duty of the victim to provide an api verified kill mail to get his isk back.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2012-07-25 20:06:40 UTC
Grog Drinker wrote:
Jude Lloyd wrote:

This is a good point too. If the tackled missions runner (or whatever) claims he is still tackled post Tuskers receiving the isk, won't the Tuskers just give him the iso back? Seems to be a hole in the process that needs to be addressed.


The pirate/ransomer in this case would obviously state that he did indeed let the victim go and it would be the duty of the victim to provide an api verified kill mail to get his isk back.


Fair enough.

But thats another 30 seconds or more added to our ransoms, isn't it?

Once this whole process is complete, Ill have missed another two kills.




Also why wasn't Heretics contacted by mail? I'm much nicer by Eve mail :P

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Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2012-07-25 20:15:02 UTC
Ill tell ya what, since I like the Tuskers, I'll give this service a shot with a smaller ransom. If I like it, I'll post here saying that it went smoothly and then Ill recommend it to all the smaller pirate corps I'm in contact with.

But its only going to be the one time... I have trust issues. :P

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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#108 - 2012-07-25 22:50:58 UTC
SB Rico wrote:
My terms are fixed, no matter how you word it, an apology for the mail which was sent to our ceo suggesting you were somehow superior and that you were a more honourable corp.

Then not only will you prove yourselves prepared to work with others, capable of being trusted and maybe we will consider working with you in turn.

Fact is neg ten is not and never will be a Tusker pet, but you felt you could treat us like one and then act stunned when we respond to an insult with hostility.

I also offered solutions to other problems raised here which I would have posted freely if you had started this whole process by treating us as equals not some lesser entity.



Im just interested but why is neg ten the only pirate corp/alliance who feels insulted by this? The rest may say "we dont like it" or that they are well known enough but noone but you feels insulted!
Bendy Profane
Hologram Eyes
#109 - 2012-07-25 23:33:05 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Im just interested but why is neg ten the only pirate corp/alliance who feels insulted by this? The rest may say "we dont like it" or that they are well known enough but noone but you feels insulted!

Because, deep down, somebody wants to be as popular as all the other kids. Those who are not confined to a wheelchair. Gate, I mean gate! He feels belittled because he fears he might indeed be inferior.
Smoke XN
The Man Who Changed China
Absolute Will
#110 - 2012-07-26 00:11:15 UTC
Quote:


Right first part a simple we are sorry to have bothered you to the larger pirate corp ceos by mail please and we will call it quits.



We are sorry as a corp that it was so difficult for your ceo to read a mail, we will try using smaller words next time Pirate
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#111 - 2012-07-26 04:51:27 UTC
Oh wait, another flame united thread in C&P?

Damn, this really upsets me.

Still OP won't mind if his own corpmates are not clever enough to avoid getting trolled into changing the thread's subject. Big smile

Still what do you expect from a corp who can't figure out how to fit a ship bigger than a frigate.

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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#112 - 2012-07-26 05:39:54 UTC
You still havnt answered my question, anyways thanks for all the free bumps!
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#113 - 2012-07-26 05:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
Sorry but there will be no flaming united thread Cool
(Removed off-topic post)
ISD Dosnix

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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#114 - 2012-07-26 06:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
SB Rico wrote:
*snip*


We dont flame the untied, you just started trolling our thread and WE havnt made any accusations that arent true. Nearly all neg ten does is camping the gates in and around rancer and running away once an even fight could be had (be it because you are paranoid and think we would bridge stuff onto you or bring in carriers or whatever your reason for not fighting might be).

I might be wrong but i havnt seen you anywhere else and you are one of the few pirate corps who smack endlessly (but to your credit the whole pocket suffers from that) the apart of even fights is just a personal observation maybe you give other people goodfites but i havnt seen it once!

But you dont use ecm and this is a plus and you are competent at what you do , most people just dont like your kind of gamestyle!




If you dont like the service we offer, than dont use it but the more people aware that pirates honour ransoms the better for all of us!
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#115 - 2012-07-26 06:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: SB Rico
Anyways for those interested in the OPs topic apologies a quick summary...

1. Tuskers will use their reputation to help you ransom other people.

2. For this they need e-famous players to help people in EVE find out who they are (they have asked for his earlier)

3. They expect you to take screenshots or wait for days till one of them remembers to check in the event of a dispute while they keep your money. (Is this in the hope that you will forget about it so they keep it?)

4. You still have to do all the ransom work yourself but are permitted to pay the 5%

5. If someone pays them incorrectly then they have to pay again (and if they can't afford a second payment, you have to kill them and lose your payday thanks to the tuskers.)

6. All this should take under a minute but if it takes longer to find a tusker actually available you are permitted to ransom on your own without the tusker rep (do I still have to pay 5%).

7. Alternatively in the event of a delay you can keep bumping a pod

8. Tuskers invite questions but will tell you what a ****** you are if you point out a flaw in their system rather than make it work

9. Tuskers are not scamming, cos they said they weren't

10. They were offered the chance to receive some help from another pirate corp (for pay) and are so dedicated to helping "the pirate community" they flamed the pirate alliance who offered help.

I apologise for the fact Tuskers have forgotten what their thread is about and have rather retardedly turned their own thread into one about negative ten.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#116 - 2012-07-26 08:35:18 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
SB Rico wrote:
And thank you for helping me create another flame united thread :)


We dont flame the untied, you just started trolling our thread and WE havnt made any accusations that arent true. Nearly all neg ten does is camping the gates in and around rancer and running away once an even fight could be had (be it because you are paranoid and think we would bridge stuff onto you or bring in carriers or whatever your reason for not fighting might be).

I might be wrong but i havnt seen you anywhere else and you are one of the few pirate corps who smack endlessly (but to your credit the whole pocket suffers from that) the apart of even fights is just a personal observation maybe you give other people goodfites but i havnt seen it once!

But you dont use ecm and this is a plus and you are competent at what you do , most people just dont like your kind of gamestyle!




If you dont like the service we offer, than dont use it but the more people aware that pirates honour ransoms the better for all of us!




OK let's return to the new topic.

We have someone else who fails to realise what neg ten is about.

We are not looking around for "gudfights", we are making isk simply that, "gudfights" are simply bad tactics and handling of situations an intelligent individual should not be allowing the other side any opportunity to succeed. Trying to insult us by saying we won't do them is quite frankly like trying to insult me by saying I am far too good looking, or far too clever.

Oh and we do use ecm tyvm.

Oh and for the forthcoming crack about smartbombing...

I support the smartbombers and think they do a very good job at picking off the harder to catch targets, but have personally never smartbombed.

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Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#117 - 2012-07-26 08:49:43 UTC
Thanks for misrepresenting the service being offered & making wild accusations with your alts & mains once again!

We have taken on board constructive criticism from this forum as well as others (FHC in particular) to help streamline the process and reduce the amount of effort required. We have listened to both fellow pirates as well as others in this regard and answered reasonable questions posed to us.

Your manner of misrepresenting what we say, making up "facts" about us & being unwilling to help the pirate community as a whole hopefully flourish, particularly the smaller corporations/alliances leads me to the conclusion that your group of pirates are not the kind that we wish to help, therefore consider yourselves barred from using this service.
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#118 - 2012-07-26 08:58:09 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
Thanks for misrepresenting the service being offered & making wild accusations with your alts & mains once again!

We have taken on board constructive criticism from this forum as well as others (FHC in particular) to help streamline the process and reduce the amount of effort required. We have listened to both fellow pirates as well as others in this regard and answered reasonable questions posed to us.

Your manner of misrepresenting what we say, making up "facts" about us & being unwilling to help the pirate community as a whole hopefully flourish, particularly the smaller corporations/alliances leads me to the conclusion that your group of pirates are not the kind that we wish to help, therefore consider yourselves barred from using this service.


Oh noes you mean you won't scam our isk?

Or are you plain dumb enough to think we need this pointless service?

BTW nothing in my list cannot be seen in evidence from tusker posts in this forum.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.
Keyanu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-07-26 08:58:19 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
Thanks for misrepresenting the service being offered & making wild accusations with your alts & mains once again!

We have taken on board constructive criticism from this forum as well as others (FHC in particular) to help streamline the process and reduce the amount of effort required. We have listened to both fellow pirates as well as others in this regard and answered reasonable questions posed to us.

Your manner of misrepresenting what we say, making up "facts" about us & being unwilling to help the pirate community as a whole hopefully flourish, particularly the smaller corporations/alliances leads me to the conclusion that your group of pirates are not the kind that we wish to help, therefore consider yourselves barred from using this service.


Well **** me sideways, barred from this service?!!!

Whatever will we do?
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#120 - 2012-07-26 09:09:33 UTC
Oh additionally I do seem to recall offering to help, but if you expect to profit from a service why should I not expect some form of payment?

If you are genuinely trying to help the community I suggest you offer to do this for free, you guarantee you will never charge for the use of this service I will post some helpful comments to resolve some of the obvious flaws in your product.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.