EVE General Discussion

Let me say at once, I don't mind Wars. I love em, but fake wars / griefing wars just pisses me off.

There should be some way to invalidate a "fake" wardec. Say a one man corp wardecs a 1000 man alliance, he spends most of his time station humping or AFKing. He uses alternative accounts to scan down mission runners, and he generally uses a Wardec as a way to avoid criminal prosecution while killing random targets.

Now, there is no way for the 1000 man corp to "win" this war, we can't drive the attacker back (because it's just one person) and he already has enough money to pay for the wardec which means he probably has enough money to loose hordes of ships too. So even if we pod him 50 times, he can more or less just come back and go at it again.

In the meantime, our alliance members are getting locked out of incursions groups and many other activities because of the wardec. Basically it's 170m / week in order complicate life for the entire alliance.

That, is not a "War", it's not China vs USA or even USA vs Luxemburg, there's no groups at war, there's no killing. It's a single Jihad terrorist standing in the street with a handgun declaring war on USA shooting at random people. This should no more be a Concord accepted practice then suicide ganking at gates or can flipping, because it's really no different.

There should be some way to invalidate wars like this. Basically you take it to trial, you talk to concord and say "Hey, this is not a real War, he's just killing innocent miners and pilots and using the Wardec as cover. This man is nothing more then a petty criminal abusing the Wardec system to avoid criminal prosecution. And by doing so he's severely hampering our ability to conduct our daily business."

If it was 50 people on the other hand, it would be a war worth fighting. And it would be possible to fight it, because a 50 vs 1000 you can simply gang up on, you can kick each and every pilots arse, you can hit them where it hurts, destroy their ships, push them in to ruin.

A good system to fix this would either be to have a "Concord Appeal Chamber" where you could forcefully invalidate a war. Add a "Goal" system aka "This War is initiated to drive X corporation/alliance out of X system because of their practice of suicide ganking our miners" or "This War is initiated in order to take the POS station at X moon in system X.". There should be ways of winning, loosing or ending wars outside of the other person running out of money to pay for the Wardec.

Or you could add a way of siezing his assets (from inside of stations) driving him out or similar. Like having a search team taking control of the station he's in throwing him the hell out.

Wars should be used as a means of accomplishing goals rather then as a means of having random people to shoot at with no concord retaliation.

So what you're saying is, that this one person is better than your 1000-man alliance?

Comments like these are just silly. It's not hard to kill him while he's out of the station. He doesn't stand a chance of actually fighting us, but he gets to keep up with random killing flying around in a recon killing miners on belts or whatever else he wants.

Theres no actual way of defeating a single person financing his wars with an out of corp character. Because there will always be some way for him to grief some of us as long as the war is active.

So what you're saying is, that this one person is better than your 1000-man alliance?

Sure, it's Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company

Is it really that hard for your 1000 member alliance to keep track of one guy? Put him in your watchlist, check local, and plan accordingly? Perhaps your people that get popped out on their own can fleet up with other people in the alliance?

Disrupting your operations is a perfectly valid goal. Seems like this guy's doing just that.

Anyway, CCP's been very clear. They consider wardecs to be a pay-for-targets affair. If he pays, he gets the targets. The defender can work out how to deny him kills from those targets.

What's the TL:DR of the OP?

Nerf solo PvPers so that players in a "1000 man alliance" that are unable to defend themselves against a single player can make hordes of risk free ISK running Highsec Incursions? Wow, that's a whole new level of lameness! Quiet the achievement on these forums.

Umm - couldn't find that corp or I would have helped increasing the number to make it worthhile to you (I never log in on this character and can't fly anything but a reaper on this char, so no harm done).

Fear is your real enemy.

It's what some of my current targets are doing right now. They turn one corporation into five, and then when they all get wars, they immediately leave them and make new ones.


He substituted my corporation's name into his response, because he didn't like what I said.