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Your "Dream" Computer

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Jim Era
#1 - 2012-07-25 17:10:02 UTC
Been gaming on laptops for the last few years, getting tired of it.
But I haven't even played with desktop specs in over 5 years.
Looking to buy/build a new gaming computer, I don't play anything aside from EVE and old dos games so it doesn't have to be supermegaultra huge.
My spending limit is going to be around $2000


tl;dr gimme your dream computers so I can live your dreams.

Wat™

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2012-07-25 17:31:58 UTC
meh don't have time to play shopping. For your needs you can easily fill out the list for around $1200-1500 and probably use the left over for big monitors.

I'm currently am running an older Quad core on a decent board with 16 gig ram (It can hold 32). On my next upgrade I want to replace the CPU and maybe the board if its not compatible though I'm rather fond of it.

I've got 2 250 gig drives and a terrabyte drive that is dedicated to my games (Because steam doesn't let you spread them out). I would like to replace one of the drives with a SSD and put the OS on it as I hear those handle smoke better.

My GPU I think is currently a 2 gig.

And I'm running a 24" and 19" monitor. I would like to upgrade both to 30's but it's not a necessity.....yet.

I used to have to have all these specs memorized but now it's just whatever and stuff. This pc started as a off the shelf model and each year at tax season I like to go out and upgrade something on it so it's been pretty good about being up to speed with midrange junk as it easily meets or exceeds most spec requirements.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#3 - 2012-07-25 20:34:07 UTC
Only $2,000? You might be able to afford the hard drives for my dream PC. Shocked

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#4 - 2012-07-25 20:35:38 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
I would like to replace one of the drives with a SSD and put the OS on it as I hear those handle smoke better.


I have a pair of striped 120 GB SSDs, and they are BLAZING fast. No more seeking on random read/writes Cool

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Jim Era
#5 - 2012-07-25 20:41:28 UTC
Only $2000 to play EVE is enough in my opinion. IF I must spend more than this to continue playing at optimal performance that would really suck.
I don't need multiple screens. Only one account would be running on said computer. I don't need huge amounts of ram or anything really because I literally do NOTHING on my computer besides EVE, Strife, Descent 1 & 2 and Riven :P
I don't browse websites (unless I'm at work) I don't purchase things, I don't use computers except EVE. Surely $2000 is plenty for a single use computer.

Wat™

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#6 - 2012-07-25 20:42:22 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
I would like to replace one of the drives with a SSD and put the OS on it as I hear those handle smoke better.


I have a pair of striped 120 GB SSDs, and they are BLAZING fast. No more seeking on random read/writes Cool



Sure the speed will be a bonus but my main issue is that when I'm sitting at the pc with an eyepatch on, a parakeet on my shoulder, and my pipe tobacco in my mouth, the smoke, from what I've been told, gets inside of the HD (which I thought was supposed to be airtight) and creates a thin layer of muck that the laser can't read. At least that's what I was informed when my first drive crapped out and started causing blue screens.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#7 - 2012-07-25 21:20:12 UTC
Depends of which camps you are:

CPU - Are you AMD or Intel?
GPU - Are you AMD or Nvidia?
HD - Plates or Transistors?

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#8 - 2012-07-25 21:21:41 UTC
Oh... I forgot... u like it one headed or triple monitor monster?

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#9 - 2012-07-25 22:51:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Jim Era wrote:
Looking to buy/build a new gaming computer, I don't play anything aside from EVE and old dos games so it doesn't have to be supermegaultra huge.
My spending limit is going to be around $2000

Your spending limit is at least twice of what you'd probably actually need.
Even a 400$ box could be sufficient for single client EVE with near-max graphic settings outside of large fleet engagements for at least 30 FPS, then add a single decent-ish FHD monitor for about 100$, and you're there with a quarter of your budget.
On the other hand, go with multiple clients on fresh nice fast large monitors used in heavy-duty fleet engagements at max detail and expect 120 FPS, and not even 2000$ would be anywhere enough for the box plus monitors.
Jim Era
#10 - 2012-07-25 22:59:24 UTC
Ok, I will be engaging in big fleet battles. Monitor/mouse/keyboard are all not included.
I will only be using a single EVE client on said computer, other clients can run on my current comps (I have a lot :/)
I will be living in null, experiencing large blobs etc.
I don't want to pay 1000 extra for flashy lights and an alien decal on it, unless the hardware inside is worth it.
If I must up my budget then I can't get it this week and have to wait til next so no biggie, lets up it to $4000 for the "tower"

again that being said I am just playing 1 client, with probability of large scale battles. I don't want to lag, my net can handle it.
This is just for the tower and stuff inside, not the monitors. I have more than enough monitors because I don't watch TV I just use it currently for my monitor.

Wat™

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#11 - 2012-07-25 23:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
You could go for something like this:
CPU/mobo: i5-3570K on Z77 mobo (or go up to i7-3770K just in case)
GPU: GTX560 1 GB (or GTX560 Ti 2GB)
RAM : 2x8 GB DDR3@1600 minimum (RAM's too cheap to go lower even if you won't really use it - could just as well get 4x8 GB @2000+ while you're at it)
3 TB slow HDD + 120 or 180 GB fast SSD (you can use 60GB of it for SSD caching partition for the lager slower drive, and the other 60/120 for OS+games) ; alternatively, 2x180GB SSDs and screw SSD caching for the HDD data drive
Nice case with separate PSU, 550W should be sufficient, 600W more than enough, anything above is overkill
Total - about 1000-1600 USD so far (depending on choices)
Add three 23"/24" IPS fullHD monitors for ~165-230$ each (plus any needed adaptors to connect them all), and that's 1500-2300 USD total - you might not use but one usually, but all that extra screen realestate will come in handy eventually ; if not, just get one and you've lowered your needed budget drastically.
Jim Era
#12 - 2012-07-25 23:11:57 UTC
cool. ty.
I'll just print this comment out and take it to best buy lol.

"I need these pleze"

Wat™

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#13 - 2012-07-25 23:13:12 UTC
Might want to order off newegg instead and build your own.
Jim Era
#14 - 2012-07-25 23:14:47 UTC
I'll check that out too. I just literally have no memory of computers since I gave up a long time ago. I bought a Dell desktop for like $1000 then gutted it and rebuilt it, then it got stolen like 2m onths after and so I gave up lol. Only thing I mess with lately is RAM because every stock computer comes with **** ram.

Wat™

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#15 - 2012-07-25 23:16:57 UTC
They also usually come with crap ventilation, junk PSU, and mediocre mobo.
Jim Era
#16 - 2012-07-25 23:18:54 UTC
but see, I don't even know what those things are :P
and thus far haven't affected me,
My lil laptop plays EVE with all settings on half/enabled

I guess its time to do my research instead of browse these forums all day at work

Wat™

Jim Era
#17 - 2012-07-25 23:22:09 UTC
Also, any other good sites aside from Newegg? It seems to only have "build your own bundles'"
something similar to dominos where I can start by picking one thing at a time and not a big bundle that has to be changed lol.
if not I'll figure it out but at a first glance its very cluttered

Wat™

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#18 - 2012-07-25 23:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Crap ventilation means extra heat which means extra power use and increased chance for something to croak sooner than it should.
Junk PSU means either it goes down in provided power much faster with age leading to eventual "brownouts" when you run something at full throttle, or highly susceptible to power fluctuations which could fry something inside your machine in a worst case scenario (laptops seldom have that problem), or at the very least running up your power bill more than necessary.
Mediocre mobo means less room for future improvement (SATA/USB/RAM/PCI-E slots), poor on-board audio, easily damaged/worn capacitors, etc.

Jim Era wrote:
Also, any other good sites aside from Newegg? It seems to only have "build your own bundles'"


No idea where exactly you're looking there, but you can select each individual component, it comes to your house in its producer's package, and you unbox and assemble everything yourself.
You should be looking at components ( "computer hardware") not ready-built systems ("PCs & laptops").
Jim Era
#19 - 2012-07-25 23:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
gotcha, So I think I got newegg figured out. it seems reasonable. Prices are good etc...
Last question I would normally just google but I enjoy getting suggestions due to the nature of the request (e.g. I want someone who can tell me whats better and not what will make them more money)


but what brands should i stick with, notice a lot of the **** is asus or something and I thought those were mediocre at best



Thanks for sticking with me, I know alot of these questions are annoying.

Wat™

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#20 - 2012-07-25 23:35:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
You'll get a lot of preferences from various people, but for me it's :
- Gigabyte NVIDIAs for GPU (I like the Gigabyte cooling system, and I prefer NVIDIA to ATI, but not by much),
- ASRock for mobo (somewhat cheaper but generally quality build), but only slightly recommended
- Western Digital for HDD (not very attached to it, anything else is fine too),
- Intel for SSD (mostly due to reliability, they have their own semiconductor foundry and they generally keep the best of the batches for their own SSDs and sell the rest, and they're not very fast nor very cheap), you might want to think twice before you go with an OCZ SSD though (they might be fast and attractively priced for their performance, but they also allegedly have the highest failure rates of all SSDs, could be because they're also amongst the most popular so people with less experience end up using them improperly, but maybe better safe than sorry?)
- Corsair builder/gamer series or OCZ for the PSU, but there are others with decent PSUs around (a bit more expensive usually though)
- no particular strong preference for RAM (but slight advantage to either Geil or Corsair, very slight),
- and there's a huge host of cases to pick from (Cooler Master HAF series is generally quite nice, but sometimes a bit expewnsive, or maybe Lian-Li if you like a more rugged build, but others are quite nice too).

Most of those are more like guidelines or personal preferences than strong suggestions though.
You might want to look at the buyer feedback on all components first anyway, and also maybe research reviews on independent sites for them (google's quite helpful to let you find enough of those)

NOTE: you can't use dual SSDs in raid0 mode at the same time as the modified-raid0-SSD-caching feature of ivybridge/z77 (it's either one or the other, not both), but if you have two larger SSDs you don't really need SSD caching of the slower large drive anyway (everything you really need to be read fast will go directly on the SSDs anyway since you'll have plenty of space there).
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