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The Complete and utter failure of our Golden Fleet

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Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-07-25 11:17:23 UTC
Amaki Mai wrote:
I wish there was a charismatic leader and an inspirational organisation to rally behind.


Perhaps such a desire will be met in due time, Miss Mai.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#22 - 2012-07-25 11:54:36 UTC
My, my.

When the enemy is at your gate, how different a perspective it is, eh?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-07-25 11:57:20 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
My, my.

When the enemy is at your gate, how different a perspective it is, eh?


Wisdom is gained from examining various perspectives. In this, perhaps an opportunity for the Empire to gain a new perspective is a blessing in disguise.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#24 - 2012-07-25 20:37:42 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
My, my.

When the enemy is at your gate, how different a perspective it is, eh?


Wisdom is gained from examining various perspectives. In this, perhaps an opportunity for the Empire to gain a new perspective is a blessing in disguise.



I am agreed on this....history shows us that the Amarr have only adapted to new threats when they have faced a crisis of untold proportions as seen in our history with the Jove and the subsequent Minmater Rebellion (undoubtedly the Jove most likely had a hand in that) .

This new crisis point may prove to redefine how the Amarr approaches it's war, perhaps using more strategy and wit then the old school 'win through superior firepower and overwhelming numbers' which we have seen so much of in our Empires past.

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
#25 - 2012-07-25 22:43:24 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
My, my.

When the enemy is at your gate, how different a perspective it is, eh?


Wisdom is gained from examining various perspectives. In this, perhaps an opportunity for the Empire to gain a new perspective is a blessing in disguise.


Perhaps you'd like to enjoy the perspective of a slave chained to the floor of a jet can floating in space. It would be quite enlightening for you.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-07-25 23:32:24 UTC
Henry Kaine wrote:


Perhaps you'd like to enjoy the perspective of a slave chained to the floor of a jet can floating in space. It would be quite enlightening for you.


The only perspective I would gain from this would be further insight into the depravity of the one committing such an act.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Lyskal Oskold
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-07-25 23:54:46 UTC
I thought the Amarr philosophy was about uplifting Humanity. Sounds like someone might be getting dragged out of their pod in station by Templar soon.

"Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice." - Eleanor Lamb

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2012-07-26 02:33:29 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Perhaps if Mr Raholan feels that strongly he should leave the Imperial Academy and sign up with the militia.

I look forward to hearing about his progress.


Given the Militias clear lack of direction and myself not being the one to bring it there would be no advantage in joining the militia at this point in time...a few dedicated pilots cannot resist a well organised and motivated enemy (as much as It pains to admit that).

Until such time when the Amarr finds itself a competent fighting force I will monitor the developments from the side.


So you'll happily insult other pilots for not joining the 24th IC whilst refusing to join it yourself.

I'm glad we've cleared that up.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Condor Amarr
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#29 - 2012-07-26 05:39:08 UTC
The fact this is being discussed here is further proof that our tactic is working. It is certainly accurate that we 'control' very few systems (3 at last count). Having said that, we have over 12 that are in a state of vulnerability. This actually serves us better than taking the systems back. Whilst the Minmatar hordes are numerically superior to us, we do have the tactical advantage. Have so many vulnerable systems means that they are unable to simply 'farm' the complexes for reward.

This has been no secret and its refreshing that someone has gotten so much sand in their lady parts that they feel the need to use a neutral third party to raise it here .

Whilst Amarr could always use more loyal capsuleers to ensure the safety of the Empire, I wouldn't worry too much about the statistics. In my experience, those who use numbers to decide who's won are rarely the of people who are needed for combat action anyway.

Oh and to the guy who said that all we do is run and dock up, feel free to stop by Black Watch Guard's Forward Operating Base. We'll be happy to show you how Amarr undocks.
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#30 - 2012-07-26 06:46:26 UTC
What saddens me the most is that despite the Amarr's ability to win a victory it is truely the Minmatar whom are losing this war. On paper we look good, we hold systems, we have the confirmed kills and all the markings of victors, but the one goal by which most Matari would measure victory is as elusive now as it ever was, and that is the freedom of our people and the end of slavery.

If we win every victory from now until the time the last sun goes out in the cluster and the Amarr still hold our people, then we have lost. Systems do not matter if we do not have our kin.
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#31 - 2012-07-26 07:44:58 UTC
Nut up or shut up sonny but don't slag off those who do fight.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#32 - 2012-07-26 10:24:28 UTC
The current state of the Amarr/Minmatar warzone is not one that can be measured in the metrics you propose in your original post. The truth is, while the Minmatar flag might fly over many of the systems, I would argue that the Minmatar are being used more like slaves than ever before.

Everything you see regarding the current state of the warzone has been foreseen according to plan.
Lyskal Oskold
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-07-26 11:22:36 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
The current state of the Amarr/Minmatar warzone is not one that can be measured in the metrics you propose in your original post. The truth is, while the Minmatar flag might fly over many of the systems, I would argue that the Minmatar are being used more like slaves than ever before.

Everything you see regarding the current state of the warzone has been foreseen according to plan.


(Wednesday, July 18, 2012)

Oh no... We've been used!

*looks at wallet and at the future fights to come, which the Minmatar have been craving*

Yeah, we've been used.

"Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice." - Eleanor Lamb

Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-07-26 12:05:08 UTC
It is a wonder, really. One could almost argue that the timely withdraw from the militia wars by entities such as PIE was the most honorable and loyal thing they could have done given the decline into base greed and system manipulation being practiced by so-called loyal capsuleers on both sides of the conflict.

Playing with lives for profit that you will only then spend to throw away more lives.

There is much work to be done.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
#35 - 2012-07-26 15:10:21 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Henry Kaine wrote:


Perhaps you'd like to enjoy the perspective of a slave chained to the floor of a jet can floating in space. It would be quite enlightening for you.


The only perspective I would gain from this would be further insight into the depravity of the one committing such an act.


Because this never happens in Amarr space, right? Every slave is treated with dignity and respect?
Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-07-26 15:19:29 UTC
Henry Kaine wrote:

Because this never happens in Amarr space, right? Every slave is treated with dignity and respect?


It's fascinating. The posts LOOK like they're in response to somebody elses, but in fact they never address what the other person has said and simply recycle the same few lines AGAIN and AGAIN ad nauseum.

It's like a poorly written online marketing script.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#37 - 2012-07-26 15:29:37 UTC
Los Muertas wrote:
If we win every victory from now until the time the last sun goes out in the cluster and the Amarr still hold our people, then we have lost. Systems do not matter if we do not have our kin.


Finally, someone else notices that this is a war without purpose or end...
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-07-26 15:53:35 UTC
Henry Kaine wrote:

Because this never happens in Amarr space, right? Every slave is treated with dignity and respect?


This will be my last response to you because you are not interested in discussion.

Sadly, mistreatment of slaves does happen in the Empire. We have laws and a penal system in place for when it does happen and it still reveals the depravity and unrighteousness of the one committing the act. My words remain unchanged and yours remain filled with bitterness, hostility and ignorance.

I will be in prayer for your soul as it wanders apart from the truth. It is evident you have been wounded deeply in the past by sins committed against you or by you and I will pray those wounds mend with time and guidance.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#39 - 2012-07-26 18:10:25 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Los Muertas wrote:
If we win every victory from now until the time the last sun goes out in the cluster and the Amarr still hold our people, then we have lost. Systems do not matter if we do not have our kin.


Finally, someone else notices that this is a war without purpose or end...


Make no mistake good sir, I will continue to fight the war and this war may have a purpose if we (the matari) can make the war so expensive, tedious or cumbersome that the Amarr are forced to come to the table with the freedom of our people as one of the points on a peace initiative. If I were at that table I would even be willing to cede all of the contested zones in exchange for all of our people, and yes I can already hear the cries of "traitor" as I speak.

To make this war about territory, or kills, wins and loses is to make this war pointless. I love killing, it is my art, my profession but even I am able to see that wars should only ever be fought for people. To save them, to free them, to seize resources that they need to thrive. The war, as it stands, is pointless but alas it is the only tool we have available so I will continue to use this hammer to beat my enemies until my people are free.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#40 - 2012-07-26 18:23:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Los Muertas wrote:
Make no mistake good sir, I will continue to fight the war and this war may have a purpose if we (the matari) can make the war so expensive, tedious or cumbersome that the Amarr are forced to come to the table with the freedom of our people as one of the points on a peace initiative. If I were at that table I would even be willing to cede all of the contested zones in exchange for all of our people, and yes I can already hear the cries of "traitor" as I speak.

To make this war about territory, or kills, wins and loses is to make this war pointless. I love killing, it is my art, my profession but even I am able to see that wars should only ever be fought for people. To save them, to free them, to seize resources that they need to thrive. The war, as it stands, is pointless but alas it is the only tool we have available so I will continue to use this hammer to beat my enemies until my people are free.


But the Amarr have already outsmarted you in this regard. They're not fighting nearly as heavily as you are. In fact, they're making you lose the expenses, and suffer the tedium and cumbersome nature of factional warfare. They've effectively allowed you to control the star systems in question, stretching the Republic's administrative budgets to the breaking point as they try to install pro-Republic governments on worlds quite likely to outright reject them, while they themselves conserve their power and maintain the absolute security of their borders.

You may be an expert at killing, but you've been thrown a bone... and look how eagerly you gnaw upon it. You celebrate capturing a bunch of meaningless systems, and gain no greater strategic footing against the Amarr by holding them - can you tell me that the space you control in factional warfare permits you to rescue your people from the Throne worlds, where the bulk of their population is concentrated? Of course not.

I'm pretty good with foresight. A blessing sometimes, a curse most times. I can see where the balance of terror truly lies. And I can predict with fair accuracy that the original incursion by the Thukkers into Amarr space will be repaid. Jamyl wasn't kidding when she stated any acts against the Empire will be answered in equal... I'm betting she's just waiting for the best of your killers to grow weary of the constant stream of non-victories and non-conquests.

It's what I would do, were I in her position. She is one of the few strategic minds I truly admire.
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