EVE General Discussion

Green out lines not effected by UI scaling.
- bug
No starter system locator in the new tutorial list.
- not sure what you mean
If this is "the tutorial list in the help window doesn't tell you where your starter system is, that's a feature request
No way to find Aura in the agent finder.
- by design I think, because there are actually 4 Auras (unless it's in the agent finder on TQ)
NPE not be reset to a point like the old one.
- by design I think
I don't actually understand what this is
Agents for the missions need to be added to the tutorial list.
- what tutorial list?
Assuming this is in the help window again, feature request/by design (I'm not sure we'd necessarilywant to list agents there)
Link to the wiki Guides page and New Pilot 101 page need to be added to the Help window
- feature request
No voice overs in the NPE
- by design
Expanding on this, voiceovers just take too long to set up and record for a game that's constantly changing and a tutorial that's constantly being improved. They're great when they're perfect, but as soon as the voice gets out of sync with the text it's incredibly distracting, and it's just not feasible to book a new recording session with the same actress every time we want to change a couple of words. Once text-to-speech improves enough - and we did have a serious look into this - that will be our preferred solution, but right now we just don't have a workable way to voice the tutorial.
NPE needs to mention the new Inventory system more.
- feature request
NPE does not mention the Circle mouse over menu.
- by design, teaching people one way to do it rather than confuse them
NPE does not talk about the CQ.
- by design, sticking to teaching the core game play in the turorial (and CQ are not core gameplay yet)
Training while in route to mission 24 could cover a few more topics.
- feature request?
Yup, but if you've got any obvious suggestions please post them here - it's too late to add them for 1.2 but we can plug extra pages in for a later release really easily
New objective high lighting in the NPE is nice but looks unfinished.
- should be finished, what's unfinished
Career agent missions have not changed
- normal, Five 0 was only working on the initial tutorial
When boarding your rookie ship for the first time the rookie ship pointer needs to stay on the ship so you do not miss that information. Right now if you use the overview to board it you miss the detail. Or move the rookie ship to some where it will be in frame for a normal person who will be more zoomed in becouse they are in a pod.
- feature request I think
I don't /entirely/ understand what you're saying here

Affinity and Greyscale might give more info as they have been working on the tutorials and the NPE (and I've been away for over 2 weeks so i'm not sure what's going on)

Thanks clears up a lot.

The way the tutorials are set up now you have to be in an accepted mission to make sense of what the tutorial is telling you.

If you decide to access the tutorials later you run into a road block at that step.

Try redoing the tutorials on a higher level character.

we will look into this behavior, the assumption was that players that only loot one wreck at a time would want to see that it went into the Cargo hold once the 'Loot All' button was pressed. But if the Ship's Cargo hold is empty however, we have now observed users thinking nothing happened because they see no change in the content area of the Inventory window and sometimes they might not notice the focus change in the Index tree, or simply have the Index tree minimized, so this needs addressing I agree. The action should simply close the cargo window once the cargo container is empty, if the user opened a cargo container directly (as a secondary inventory window).

The only question that remains is, if a user opens up the Inventory from the Neocom, and is using the Index tree, will he also want that window to close when he has pressed 'Loot all' on the last wreck in the index tree?

When boarding your rookie ship for the first time the rookie ship pointer needs to stay on the ship so you do not miss that information. Right now if you use the overview to board it you miss the detail. Or move the rookie ship to some where it will be in frame for a normal person who will be more zoomed in becouse they are in a pod.
- feature request I think
I don't /entirely/ understand what you're saying here


The green tool tip is not consistant. once the ship gets rendered in your view the box directs you to it. But you have to look around for it first. Same thing with the gates.

The proposal is valid and I will look at ways to solve this problem, I just need to sit down with Soundwave and a UI programmers to see how much work it would be and when we could do it. We would also need to compare it to other Shift functionality regarding such an 'Esc' setting, would it only apply to the Inventory, or be a global 'Make SHIFT a primary behavior' kind of thing? etc.


We will look into this behavior, the assumption was that players that only loot one wreck at a time would want to see that it went into the Cargo hold once the 'Loot All' button was pressed. But if the Ship's Cargo hold is empty however, we have now observed users thinking nothing happened because they see no change in the content area of the Inventory window and sometimes they might not notice the focus change in the Index tree, or simply have the Index tree minimized, so this needs addressing I agree. The action should simply close the cargo window once the cargo container is empty, if the user opened a cargo container directly (as a secondary inventory window).

The only question that remains is, if a user opens up the Inventory from the Neocom, and is using the Index tree, will he also want that window to close when he has pressed 'Loot all' on the last wreck in the index tree?

It might have gotten lost but there are BR that are not filtered by ISD becouse they cannot anwer them easily. Can a dev go thru and clear out the NPE, and UI portions of the Bug report system.

The green edge bug reprort was posted on the first Sisi build and only got noticed becouse I posted a seperate post about it and contact ISD directly to get it on the defect list.

Yes and I added a comment about the Double click go there option getting forgotten easily.

Thanks for the reply. I mostly meant, that I read Seleene's blog and it mentions meeting the CCP dev, CCP Arrow. Seleene then tells us he is the guy who did the unified inventory. I meant where is Arrow at? You mentioned soundwave and others, and they are cool and well trained to calm us down. But like the new dev blog on tech, CCP fonzie wrote it, and he even posts in the thread over it discussing it. I don't even know who arrow is, or if he even posted anything. (The man who had a baby, won't even tell us about it.)

I kind of left EVE midway into crucible and came back to EVE in infeno 1.1 and had the horror of seeing this living evil in my inventory. I mostly mean, that maybe arrow did do the dev blog, and posted about it afterwards with us players. But I missed it sadly. Gonna have to correct me if he was more involved in the beginning.