EVE General Discussion

First off, choices 1 and 2 are *exactly* what many players think happens at CCP. This is the underlying reason for much player rage.

Second, choice 3 does not differ much from choices 1 and 2, as seen from the perspective of the players in the forums. If you are going to solicit feedback from players, you absolutely need to provide an immediate and visible acknowledgment that the feedback is being read and perhaps incorporated in the work. Currently, there is no automatic method on the forums for indicating when a dev reads a thread, so it falls on the devs to do so, by manually posting a response in the thread. BTW, just for the record, I did suggest adding such an automatic feature to the forums, in the new feature suggestion thread.

And, no, it is not sufficient to just tell players that you are doing choice 3 - most of them will not believe you. This should be obvious by now. The lag between player feedback and actual implementation of such feedback can often be measured in weeks, months, and even years (another sore spot with players, as you know - particularly with those players who have no understanding of the software development cycle).

Thus, choice 4 is the only option, at this time. People are indeed different, so please don't ask someone to write a devblog who isn't willing to put him/herself forward to actively respond to player feedback in the forums. However, each feature is being worked on by a team, not an individual - so, perhaps the devblogs should be authored by the entire team, not an individual. This would allow anyone on the team to respond and, hopefully, at least one member of the team will have the necessary "internet kevlar".

Failure to do otherwise simply frustrates your players, most of whom are indeed trying to provide the asked-for feedback and whom are seemingly being ignored - per choices 1 and 2. I really don't think the purpose of the forums should be to encourage and promote player rage, do you?


Statistics, no. Examples, yes - but, I'd prefer to avoid airing them here, since it would seem as if I were singling out specific devs for criticism and encouraging other players to jump on a "bash the dev" bandwagon. That would be somewhat counter-productive, since it is likely to make the reticent devs even more reticent. Please contact me via Eve mail, and we can certainly discuss specific examples.

CCP likes to make people rage, even you

And YOU are wrong! I never run bots and I never intent to do! So why do you think that I use bots? You do not know me. You just suggest some sh!t.

NOT every one who hates the unified inventory is automatically a bot runner.
Have a look at all the available threads AGAINST this inventory. You really want to say that all these guys are bot runners? Perhaps I should ask them and link your comment within the question. Lets see what they think about it.

Feel free to limit yourself to the devblog if you so wish, but if there are UInv changes making its way into 1.2, it's fair game. Specially because those are good changes and will go a way towards allaying player concerns.

can you reuse some UI elements from the NPE (the "here is your ship thing") for the normal HUD? If you select something in the overview its damn hard to figure out where it is in relation to your ship. A little arrow or a colored rectangle would do wonders.

(the icon for the station and the icon for the selected object is basically the same thing)

a single window from which I can offline silos, empty them and put them back online?

yeah it's actually pretty nifty, sorry that it's not working for you

Hm... I always believed that if they're able to build space ships which are better than most of what other, vast space faring civilizations can build, nobody can keep them from slapping some new and shiny paint on their ships.

The relevant person will probably fix it tomorrow (well, unless the weather is amasing). Thanks for the bug report

Thanks for the reply. I mostly meant, that I read Seleene's blog and it mentions meeting the CCP dev, CCP Arrow. Seleene then tells us he is the guy who did the unified inventory. I meant where is Arrow at? You mentioned soundwave and others, and they are cool and well trained to calm us down. But like the new dev blog on tech, CCP fonzie wrote it, and he even posts in the thread over it discussing it. I don't even know who arrow is, or if he even posted anything. (The man who had a baby, won't even tell us about it.)

I kind of left EVE midway into crucible and came back to EVE in infeno 1.1 and had the horror of seeing this living evil in my inventory. I mostly mean, that maybe arrow did do the dev blog, and posted about it afterwards with us players. But I missed it sadly. Gonna have to correct me if he was more involved in the beginning.

On several occasion I proposed a change for this problem. It would solve other UI problems to, make it possible, for the player, to mark a certain window the PRIMARY unified inventory window. This window would never be closed by the game itself. All other windows should have standard behavior. You should mark one PRIMARY window in STATION and SPACE. Now the LOOT ALL button from the PRIMARY window would not close it, and from other opened containers, it would. People using the tree would not have a problem.

Let me add to this idee the next thing; make it possible to HARD PIN containers based on station location. The station containers that I use in JITA, are always open when I am there, but I have to shift click twice, hide a tree, and set 2 filters. Its really annoying. The same goes or my mining station environment.