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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#41 - 2012-07-22 22:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Adalun Dey wrote:
Theron Urian wrote:

Do you take away all guns because of a small majority of offenders? Do you take away all knifes because some people stab others with them? Do you ban potato chips because they make fat people fat?

If knives were as dangerous as guns, they'd give soldiers knives instead of guns. Somehow it seems harder to commit murder using potatoes as well.



At arms length range, and that's where most homicides with guns occur, a knife is way more lethal.

Would you rather be shot say with a 9mm HP that "MIGHT" cake up with your close and not expand and go right through...


or...


Would you prefer to get it across the the carotids, followed up across the "blue worm" (that big fat vein in your belly) and than into the pernieum which leads to either leg artery on the way out (meaning you are dead in around a minute) and then for the last move, a twisting heart stab or worse, a side heart stab that is followed up by a J-cut (that is intended to spill your guts).


People who train in those moves can do all of that in the same time it takes to pull a gun. Best part is, nobody will hear the knife over their iPods, and you have no chance of surviving without aid.



See? Didn't take my advice, a cop should know better but police training really sucks anyway.

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Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-07-23 05:17:57 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Hestia Mar wrote:
You were being sarcastic when you wrote that last paragraph, weren't you...guns as tools? LOL! Tools for what - you need to go hunting your Big Mac?

We use them for pest removal. Invasive species don't shoot themselves.


amen. shooting groundhogs and the like is great fun. a firearm is a tool, like any other.

"Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron
witchking42
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-07-23 07:55:35 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#44 - 2012-07-23 16:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If someone pounds on my door, it means that got over the fencing - most of it barbed wire which is common in these parts - and past the dogs.

if they are not authorized they die.

Shooting someone for knocking on your door is illegal most everywhere. Will you feel justified in your paranoia if you shoot a young panicked mother who ran to the nearest house because her baby is hurt?

edit: by all means, answer the door prepared for bad things. Chain on the door, foot behind it, gun concealed but accessible...but do NOT approach the door expecting to shoot someone. That's how innocent people die and you become a murderer.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#45 - 2012-07-23 16:54:26 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If someone pounds on my door, it means that got over the fencing - most of it barbed wire which is common in these parts - and past the dogs.

if they are not authorized they die.

Shooting someone for knocking on your door is illegal most everywhere. Will you feel justified in your paranoia if you shoot a young panicked mother who ran to the nearest house because her baby is hurt?

edit: by all means, answer the door prepared for bad things. Chain on the door, foot behind it, gun concealed but accessible...but do NOT approach the door expecting to shoot someone. That's how innocent people die and you become a murderer.



Something tells me the panicked mothers are going to pass up the Branch Herzogg Compound with his electrified barb wire fences and attack dog's Big smile. It probably makes the Chainsaw Massacre house look like a safe location to go to.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-07-23 18:05:42 UTC
witchking42 wrote:
I imagine your Eve rig is setup like this then....

http://static8.businessinsider.com/image/4d3defa1ccd1d5ce47030000/crazy-computer-den-guns-huge-computer.jpg

wk42


Sweet!

I got the dual monitors setup, but only four pistols in the immediate vicinity.

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Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-07-23 21:13:14 UTC
I live in the UK.
We are almost sensible.
So when someone knocks at my door at 2am (no-ones yet actually found the door, but they will.... they willl) i have a big red button harnessed electrically to a 50 MegaTon warhead i found while fishing once.

Aint gonna git meeeeeeeeeeee.

"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."

"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangs all here!"

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Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#48 - 2012-07-24 15:59:53 UTC
Every time I read some ******** Second Amendment post on the internet I can't help but feel smug and so glad I live in the UK.
But I'm more than for it, the worlds population desperately needs thinning and god knows there are a lot of stupid people in the US we could do without anyway.

If only your country had reasonable laws like the UK, for example:

In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight.

In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close.

In Liverpool it is illegal for a woman to be topless in public except as a clerk in a tropical fish store.

In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow.

No cows may be driven down the roadway between 10 AM and 7 PM unless there is prior approval from the Commissioner of Police.

I feel the world could learn a lot from this.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#49 - 2012-07-24 16:10:34 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If someone pounds on my door, it means that got over the fencing - most of it barbed wire which is common in these parts - and past the dogs.

if they are not authorized they die.

Shooting someone for knocking on your door is illegal most everywhere. Will you feel justified in your paranoia if you shoot a young panicked mother who ran to the nearest house because her baby is hurt?

edit: by all means, answer the door prepared for bad things. Chain on the door, foot behind it, gun concealed but accessible...but do NOT approach the door expecting to shoot someone. That's how innocent people die and you become a murderer.



You are incorrect.

I just pointed out that I am not afraid to turn on my own lights.

But I am onto the "distressed woman" trick and a woman pounding on my door means I don't go out that door.

But I am not going to predicate a "standing down" on the "it might be some mother in distress". I train people in the use of firearms and I have yet to have a student shoot the wrong person. I teach discernment and an overall system where it's not all centered on the gun and shooting.


But I have heard your argument before, from urban latte-slurpers who live in fear behind their locked doors and call the police for everything.

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Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-07-24 18:03:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If someone pounds on my door, it means that got over the fencing - most of it barbed wire which is common in these parts - and past the dogs.

if they are not authorized they die.

Shooting someone for knocking on your door is illegal most everywhere. Will you feel justified in your paranoia if you shoot a young panicked mother who ran to the nearest house because her baby is hurt?

edit: by all means, answer the door prepared for bad things. Chain on the door, foot behind it, gun concealed but accessible...but do NOT approach the door expecting to shoot someone. That's how innocent people die and you become a murderer.



You are incorrect.

I just pointed out that I am not afraid to turn on my own lights.

But I am onto the "distressed woman" trick and a woman pounding on my door means I don't go out that door.

But I am not going to predicate a "standing down" on the "it might be some mother in distress". I train people in the use of firearms and I have yet to have a student shoot the wrong person. I teach discernment and an overall system where it's not all centered on the gun and shooting.


But I have heard your argument before, from urban latte-slurpers who live in fear behind their locked doors and call the police for everything.


I assume you are in support of my 'Compulsory Concealed Carry' laws?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#51 - 2012-07-24 19:02:50 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If someone pounds on my door, it means that got over the fencing - most of it barbed wire which is common in these parts - and past the dogs.

if they are not authorized they die.

Shooting someone for knocking on your door is illegal most everywhere. Will you feel justified in your paranoia if you shoot a young panicked mother who ran to the nearest house because her baby is hurt?

edit: by all means, answer the door prepared for bad things. Chain on the door, foot behind it, gun concealed but accessible...but do NOT approach the door expecting to shoot someone. That's how innocent people die and you become a murderer.



You are incorrect.

I just pointed out that I am not afraid to turn on my own lights.

But I am onto the "distressed woman" trick and a woman pounding on my door means I don't go out that door.

But I am not going to predicate a "standing down" on the "it might be some mother in distress". I train people in the use of firearms and I have yet to have a student shoot the wrong person. I teach discernment and an overall system where it's not all centered on the gun and shooting.


But I have heard your argument before, from urban latte-slurpers who live in fear behind their locked doors and call the police for everything.


I assume you are in support of my 'Compulsory Concealed Carry' laws?



Well, since it's OK to charge me extra taxes on the grounds that I have to take responsibility for my health - or purchase health insurance, it's only fair to punish people who do not take responsibility for their personal protection and buy a gun.

Fair is fair. Tit for tat. People voted for Obamacare, and I will vote for the polly who does the same with guns (revenge - that's what democracy is really all about).

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Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#52 - 2012-07-24 20:45:22 UTC
IMO Op had an appropriate reaction to some drunk BS. Pounding at the door at 2am? Yeah, grab a weapon.

So many "what if"s in this thread lol
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#53 - 2012-07-24 21:35:19 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
... America would defend that man's right to own a gun, based on the premise that gun ownership is somehow required to protect themselves from men like that with guns...


Bad troll... when you defend yourself, you defend from whatever the attacker is/has,,, be it a gun, a knife or a potato thrower. It doesn't have to be human either, it could be a bear, a coyote, a freaking puma, etc.

Generals4 wrote:
Theron Urian wrote:


For the record I am not some anti gun hippy, I currently have 3 rifles, 2 shotguns, 4 pistols, a Bow and arrows, and various knives in my bedroom alone. They are all tools that we as Americans are privileged to own, and a few people being irresponsible with them are the reason the government wants to take them from us all.


This sounds as silly as someone saying "i own 3 trucks, 2 SUV's, 4 cars and a motorcycle" only in this case we're talking about killing tools. One handgun for self defence? Sure, it's understandible, if i lived in a country that would allow me to have one i'd get one too. But that many? Why?


You can't hunt deer with a 22 (to little punch). You can'y hunt a squirrel with a 30-06 (too much punch). You can't hunt flying birds with either a 22 or a 30-06. Different calibers for different game, different guns for different ranges.

As per the OP... knocking on door? no shootei... busting through door? use your own judgement.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#54 - 2012-07-24 21:54:40 UTC
All this gun talk make me want to fondle my guns. I have them locked away and unloaded (too many kids in the house atm). I need to give them some love, fondle them, rub them with some nice gun lubricant... pour rem-oil till it drips out the tip.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#55 - 2012-07-24 22:08:14 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
All this gun talk make me want to fondle my guns. I have them locked away and unloaded (too many kids in the house atm). I need to give them some love, fondle them, rub them with some nice gun lubricant... pour rem-oil till it drips out the tip.


Sounds like someone is overcompensating for something...
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#56 - 2012-07-24 22:42:16 UTC
Black Panpher wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
All this gun talk make me want to fondle my guns. I have them locked away and unloaded (too many kids in the house atm). I need to give them some love, fondle them, rub them with some nice gun lubricant... pour rem-oil till it drips out the tip.


Sounds like someone is overcompensating for something...


Bad troll! bad! Oops Now I'm want to sell the Ruger LCP. Cry

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Antagonisten
Nisuwa Logistics
#57 - 2012-07-25 18:42:02 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Ganjjabeard wrote:
good for me i keep the shotgun near by...
some fools thought it was funny to bang on my door at 2 in the morning while in the middle of my internet spaceship session....they got a loud reply of the shotgun's "cocking" mechanism and subsequently beat their high school track records as a result :D

thank god for the 2nd amendment :)

'merica! **** ya \m/


And this is why I'm glad I'm not american. Of course knocking on your door is such a dire thing that a shotgun is the appropriate response...


I second this.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#58 - 2012-07-25 20:22:12 UTC
Ganjjabeard wrote:
i like all this constructive talk about gun control in america. it is a very difficult situation because we as a country are centered around guns..(ie: won our independance through revolutionary means, wild west american culture, hollywood action movies) its a tough cookie no doubt about how gun control might work if at all. im all for the 2nd amendment (as my beretta and rifles will vouch for me) but there should be some sort of mental evaluation of people who own guns. obviously look what happen in colorado. the guy obtained EVERYTHING completely legal. same case with the columbine shootings AND the virginia tech massacre. as stupid as this may sound i do have to aggree that arming civilians to protect themselves is an immediate and effective way to combat physcos. ill be honest although itll be weird to have many people walking with guns on their hips (as if it was the wild west which it was normal back then) but i feel that with this many people in response and a good majority of them being sane and responsible (so we'd hope...) would react in good time and with some skill and training to limit casualties. at least im speaking for myself if i witness some guy in my neighboorhood losing it and going on a rampage (which would be fairly obvious to understand whats going on) i would immediately put him down asap its a sad thing but itll save possibly a mother and daughter and maybe even my family members which live in the area...
overall, yea i consider myself one of those sane sensible gun owners and i gladly would respond to any nut threatening public safety in my neighboorhood, again because if its in my area, i immediately think of my family and the chance that a murderous physco my stumble near my mom or dad or something...


You hear one shot and see one, no, two, no, thirty people with a gun and a spooky face? Who's the agressor? No time to guess as someone gets a bit too carried and begins shooting... and all in a sudden, there's a hundred stupid American shooting each other.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#59 - 2012-07-25 20:38:11 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ganjjabeard wrote:
i like all this constructive talk about gun control in america. it is a very difficult situation because we as a country are centered around guns..(ie: won our independance through revolutionary means, wild west american culture, hollywood action movies) its a tough cookie no doubt about how gun control might work if at all. im all for the 2nd amendment (as my beretta and rifles will vouch for me) but there should be some sort of mental evaluation of people who own guns. obviously look what happen in colorado. the guy obtained EVERYTHING completely legal. same case with the columbine shootings AND the virginia tech massacre. as stupid as this may sound i do have to aggree that arming civilians to protect themselves is an immediate and effective way to combat physcos. ill be honest although itll be weird to have many people walking with guns on their hips (as if it was the wild west which it was normal back then) but i feel that with this many people in response and a good majority of them being sane and responsible (so we'd hope...) would react in good time and with some skill and training to limit casualties. at least im speaking for myself if i witness some guy in my neighboorhood losing it and going on a rampage (which would be fairly obvious to understand whats going on) i would immediately put him down asap its a sad thing but itll save possibly a mother and daughter and maybe even my family members which live in the area...
overall, yea i consider myself one of those sane sensible gun owners and i gladly would respond to any nut threatening public safety in my neighboorhood, again because if its in my area, i immediately think of my family and the chance that a murderous physco my stumble near my mom or dad or something...


You hear one shot and see one, no, two, no, thirty people with a gun and a spooky face? Who's the agressor? No time to guess as someone gets a bit too carried and begins shooting... and all in a sudden, there's a hundred stupid American shooting each other.


Would be a great way to reintroduce natural selection to the human race. We've been long overdue for that.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#60 - 2012-07-26 04:51:40 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ganjjabeard wrote:
i like all this constructive talk about gun control in america. it is a very difficult situation because we as a country are centered around guns..(ie: won our independance through revolutionary means, wild west american culture, hollywood action movies) its a tough cookie no doubt about how gun control might work if at all. im all for the 2nd amendment (as my beretta and rifles will vouch for me) but there should be some sort of mental evaluation of people who own guns. obviously look what happen in colorado. the guy obtained EVERYTHING completely legal. same case with the columbine shootings AND the virginia tech massacre. as stupid as this may sound i do have to aggree that arming civilians to protect themselves is an immediate and effective way to combat physcos. ill be honest although itll be weird to have many people walking with guns on their hips (as if it was the wild west which it was normal back then) but i feel that with this many people in response and a good majority of them being sane and responsible (so we'd hope...) would react in good time and with some skill and training to limit casualties. at least im speaking for myself if i witness some guy in my neighboorhood losing it and going on a rampage (which would be fairly obvious to understand whats going on) i would immediately put him down asap its a sad thing but itll save possibly a mother and daughter and maybe even my family members which live in the area...
overall, yea i consider myself one of those sane sensible gun owners and i gladly would respond to any nut threatening public safety in my neighboorhood, again because if its in my area, i immediately think of my family and the chance that a murderous physco my stumble near my mom or dad or something...


You hear one shot and see one, no, two, no, thirty people with a gun and a spooky face? Who's the agressor? No time to guess as someone gets a bit too carried and begins shooting... and all in a sudden, there's a hundred stupid American shooting each other.



I built a combat course around active shooter scenarios. The course started basically with some targets in a structure (we don't have a mall or warehouse on hand) and LIVE actors would come running out of this structure in total chaos. The trainee had to fight his way down a hallway of live actors (obviously no shooting at this part of the course of fire thank you) during which he is being pushed, dragged, screamed at, and hit with (thankfully light plastic lawn) furniture. He has to get from these fleeing people a description of the "active shooter" - the target in this gauntlet.

The live actors all have bits and pieces of the actual description, all put together, but in their own words (they are not coached) and not described in certain details.

The actual targets are dressed up in old clothes, and one of those targets is "the shooter" that must be engaged.

It was very intense. But this is the training I would recommend for anyone who wants to carry a weapon. I imagine it would probably be better with paintball and live targets that actually move and shoot.

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