Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Obviously not enough. For you haven't begun to think of balance, never mind fair.

WH dwellers have no issues with cloaks, so why should they be nerfed?

As far as null sec is concerned, answer me this. What game mechanic are they using to interact with you and attempt to create fear, through psychological warfare?

firstly your spoon is over there >>>>>>

grab it and get in line.

secondly, how does one adopt to not being able to find said cloaked ship ?

ignore it is not an acceptable answer thank you.

There is already a mechanic in place to counterbalance cloaking, It's called sensor recalibration. On a covert ops cloak it should be 5 or 6 seconds, but some ships have a role bonus which removes even that tiny window of escape. I think on stealth bombers and recons this bonus should be removed, because it's not really necessary for catching an unprepared target and that 5 second delay could breed some interesting tactics for catching targets who are prepared. Blopships can keep the bonus because they have enough disadvantages with BS sensor resolution and not being able to warp cloaked as it is.

You saying that "ignore it" isn't an acceptable answer doesn't make it so. It's still a perfectly acceptable answer, you're just doing that childish thing of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la la la" whenever anyone says it.



Baiting works very well unless the person is AFK in which case they're not a problem. So in most cases where the cloaky isn't AFK yes, it does work. Those times it doesn't is if that cloaky has a cyno beacon on it and you get hot dropped. So mitigate this by not allowing cyno beacons and cov ops cloaks on the same ships (obviously except cov ops cyno beacons as they're intended for cov ops). There's no reason to nerf cloaks themselves.



Yes, please explain.

Then we need to force you to ignore by removing all cloaked from local; no more free intell. The "afk" are no threat - it's the non afk that are which is why you are after a nerf. If your bait traps don't work than you are either not doing the trap well or the person is truly not a threat.

The reason why you get the same responses from many people is because they're arguing from a universal standpoint against a really stupid suggestion which would be detrimental to the game as a whole. Something you still seem ignorant of even though you've had it explained to you in every way possible.



Bad luck, you just did. Fail.



And that has what to do with spoons? Or were you just throwing random words out there hoping you might, by pure chance, manage to make a decent insult? You must be getting used to failing.



Good good. Cloaks work fine as is. They have negative sides. They have positive sides. They're currently, with the possible exception of cov ops cloaked ships being able to bridge in cap fleets and full titan bridge fleets, balanced. My work here is done.


EDIT - just noticed the comment at the bottom regarding trolls. Why is it that every person who posts a dumb idea which gets panned thinks that everyone who's against the dumb idea is a troll? It isn't trolling to argue against a stupid idea. It's common sense.

That's the main reason I'm not just letting it lie. I've seen him try to steam roller you in another thread recently. I really dislike it when someone tries to get rid of people who disagree by merely dismissing them without addressing their concerns.

If it were someone with a sensible suggestion or even someone with a dumb suggestion who's being pleasant and thoughtful about the proposal in the thread, I'd not be so aggressive about it. I really hate being dismissed by people who clearly haven't thought through what they're saying or simply don't care about the far reaching negative effects their suggestion would have on others.

I pretty much have to agree with Tchulen here.

Not everyone likes my arguments for or against some ideas, but people who try to ignore logic in a debate usually fail to make their point as well.

When someone makes a claim against an idea, you either accept it, or explain why that claim is not valid. If you can demonstrate how their claim has no valid supporting logic, you beat it.
If they can defend the logic of their claim with legitimate facts, they have established it.

Neither popularity or cool factor makes something true, it just shows ability to say things that are popular or cool.

"AFK Cloaking" is purely a psychological issue.


Change local intel to a different style of intel. That works both ways. It helps miners hide as much as it helps cloakers hide.

In the CSM minutes CCP mentioned creating a cloaky hunter ship to find cloaked ships somehow. Not sure what they intended there, but I wouldn't be opposed to this within a degree of tolerance (on grid only, etc).

The local intel thing has been something we've been bashing the door down on for a long time and CCP is still hesitant to move forward with it, so not sure what the hold ups are.

From a purely meta multiplayer-game-design point of view, you want people interacting with each other--otherwise it would be a single player game. There are two ways to do that: Not have a lot of places for people to be, and; have easy ways for players to connect. CCP decided that they were going to have the largest in-game universe EVAR, so that leaves option two, whence chat, and Local.

If I had to guess, that's why they're hanging on to Local. They want you to feel the vastness of space, but not too much.

EDIT: Fully on topic: As someone who currently bases out of high sec, I'm acutely aware of the morass of special cases that come from trying to find mechanical solutions to psychological tactics. Trust me, you don't want that **** in nullsec. Fight fire with fire.