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Tech Rebuff

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RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-07-25 15:42:53 UTC
Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?

Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns

O/
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-07-25 15:45:25 UTC
Regardless of tech or any moon goo


Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.

New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet.

FC, what do?

evereplicant
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-07-25 15:56:55 UTC
ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.

Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.

It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-07-25 15:57:28 UTC
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?

Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns

O/

learn to do math
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-07-25 15:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
evereplicant wrote:
ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.

Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.

It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.


redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea

if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

evereplicant
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-07-25 15:58:18 UTC
ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.

Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.

It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-07-25 15:59:20 UTC
double posting this nonsense doesn't add validity to it

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-07-25 15:59:22 UTC
You're just jealous because you haven't achieved anything on your own.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-07-25 15:59:41 UTC
evereplicant wrote:

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

0.0 is an area for massive empires not friendless nobodies
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-07-25 16:00:07 UTC
also tell me all about large alliances taking all the moons in highsec

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-07-25 16:01:15 UTC
i have a tech moon in jita

i'm just that good
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#12 - 2012-07-25 16:01:17 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.

Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.

It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.


I kinda understand your frustration.

However, game mechanics are firmly in place for anyone to take these systems - but I will agree it seems highly unlikely given the overwhelming odds against anyone who attempts to do so.

Just need enough dots.

AK

This space for rent.

Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-07-25 16:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
highonpop wrote:
Regardless of tech or any moon goo


Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.

New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet.


Transmutation of elements is real. Particle accelerators transmute elements on a regular basis. Transmutation also takes place in nuclear plants and during thermonuclear explosions.

At our current technology level it's mostly only of scientific interest and a side effect of nuclear power generation, but in a science fiction universe it's not too far fetched to imagine that it could be used on an industrial scale to create rare and valuable elements.
evereplicant
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-07-25 16:07:29 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.

I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.

Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.

It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.


I kinda understand your frustration.

However, game mechanics are firmly in place for anyone to take these systems - but I will agree it seems highly unlikely given the overwhelming odds against anyone who attempts to do so.

Just need enough dots.

AK


given that NC. Evoke. Raiden. PL all established big pvp alliances couldnt manage it together because basically goons can just constantly fund an neverending supply of ships with no consequence as thye make more isk than they can spend says theres a big problem..

Goons you may troll all you like, my statement remains. and yes please give 160kk reasons why randomising moons is not a good idea... please...
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-07-25 16:12:23 UTC
three out of the four alliances you named have tech moons, and pl has more than we do you nitwit
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-07-25 16:13:35 UTC
raiden might still have tech moons i can't remember if they're alive or not at this point
Dusenman
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#17 - 2012-07-25 16:14:12 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
i have a tech moon in jita

i'm just that good


I have been there. It is a nice moon.




On a more serious note: With out taking out moon goo and redoing all of tech 2 building; It has to stay. Even if the tech moved around every three months people would just move and kick out anyone in there way to get to it. Or there would just be one massive NAP fest, no wars, or anything interesting... ever.

Sooooo you want to do something about it? Come up with some better idea. Or go take the goo.

GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***.

CCP Tallest_: _And by "we have made it so", I mean Punkturis has made it so.

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-07-25 16:15:59 UTC
people advocating moon rotation are, universally, friendless nobodies who hate the fact 0.0 rewards having friends
evereplicant
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-07-25 16:17:58 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
three out of the four alliances you named have tech moons, and pl has more than we do you nitwit



right PL do not have more than you dont talk nonsense, secondly the only reason the others have tech moons is becuase you guys did a deal with them!

also stop taking everything so damn personal, i am actually talking about large alliances overall, just the matter of fact you guys are the biggest alliance with the most control over eve with the most moons.. so get used to people referring to you dumbass..
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#20 - 2012-07-25 16:20:52 UTC
Have you tried taking the moons for yourself? Cause i can guarantee thats how goons did it.
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