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ISBoxer allowed or not

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Stalafur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-05-31 01:31:39 UTC
Tried petitioning CCP about this to see if it is allowed because I could really use this for my mining alts... Twisted
But there's no reply after almost two days. :(
Philip Canning
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-05-31 08:08:49 UTC
Owena Owoked wrote:
I have never used this tool but I am interested in how it works. After reading some of the wikis on it and the information from the pages I think this would be awesome for me. Has anyone used this in PvP? Have you done multiple jobs in PVP while using it and how does it work out? Normaly I just have a few windows open at the same time and click back and forth from them but if I only needed one window to control them all I think it would be a great advancement to my playing.

i tryed 5 merlin alts didnt go to well lol
Philip Canning
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-05-31 08:21:37 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
I really hope something like this isnt allowed. You shouldn't be able to use macro programs to gain an advantage. . This is no better than botting.



Isboxer is not a macro program. It offers the ability to make keybinds which is no different to the g18 keyboard. Feel free to go and investogate the program, even purchase and use it, you will find no macro system :)



OP i jsut saw your post about the tengu fleet and wanting to "!jew some isk" Yes you can do that. My main and only pointer would be to setup video FX so you can see each characters overview (or important section) and sort overview by name. as doing by distance causes each char to have a different overview and its a pain to co-ordinate fire that way.

Sort by name, remove players etc as that could be costly.


yes i found once you move something its ****** lol, id say pve was the easyway to run this pvp would need some fancy overview setting up on all your accounts and the like, but i found that you need to reformat before you try isboxer for the first time it will help you out then you can add setting as you like.

the windows that eve use and tabs also need to be left do not move them.
saltrock0000
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-05-31 08:55:18 UTC
There is a option under the Eve escape key list where you can reset all windows to default positions. I suggest doing this and then using the mouse broadcasting to reposition and resize all windows for all accounts simultaniously.

Other than that be sure to check out the ISboxer videos on Video FX ( basicaly small windows which allow you to see a second of another window on your main window, its pretty cool. ISboxed the crap out of hak and slash MMO's. Who needs a party... not me and my army! mwhahhaa

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Jason Xado
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-07-25 03:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
saltrock0000 wrote:
There is a option under the Eve escape key list where you can reset all windows to default positions. I suggest doing this and then using the mouse broadcasting to reposition and resize all windows for all accounts simultaniously.

Other than that be sure to check out the ISboxer videos on Video FX ( basicaly small windows which allow you to see a second of another window on your main window, its pretty cool. ISboxed the crap out of hak and slash MMO's. Who needs a party... not me and my army! mwhahhaa


I have seen dev posts saying it is OK to broadcast mouse clicks, etc. to multiple clients at once, which is easily done with ISBoxer. However, I have not seen dev posts saying that Video FX is OK. Has anyone seen such a dev post?

I have been playing around with ISBoxer and the Video FX feature and think it would be possible to run 100+ account mining operations without too much trouble (provided you have the computing hardware to support such an operation). I just wouldn't want to invest in said hardware if it wasn't allowed.

Perhaps I should petition it. Anyway, has anyone seen such a post?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-07-25 05:44:01 UTC
Miilla wrote:
So Eve really is PAY to WIN.


Having multiple accounts is not Pay to WIN.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#27 - 2012-07-25 05:46:01 UTC
CCP would never consider anything a cheat as long as it makes them money.......Lol

Signature removed - CCP Eterne

Kheeria
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-07-25 05:57:01 UTC
Miilla wrote:
if you are gaining an advantage by making using multiple accounts easier, then that is considered unfair.

If you want 10 accounts, you can work for it, the hard way, as we all would.

But seriously, are you that fail that you need 10 accounts? I WIN plenty with 1 account and 1 toon on it. Why can't you?

So Eve really is PAY to WIN.


"A bloo bloo bloo, I can only afford one account so noone else should be able to have more than one account."

Oh the tears.
Ohh Yeah
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#29 - 2012-07-25 06:01:08 UTC
It would only take 3 weeks to train 8 accounts into a bare-bones bomber with Bomb Deployment trained.

ISBoxer would be perfect for synchronizing the bombing runs. The potential there is fantastic, since the biggest hurdle in bombing is organizing the fleet properly and making sure nobody screws up.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#30 - 2012-07-25 06:27:57 UTC
I use isboxer for doing anomalies (me +1 alt) and have never had any problems.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-07-25 08:45:52 UTC
Philip Canning wrote:
well the tengu gang incurtion systle was the main reason, jew some isk and buy all the shiny **** eve has

And then accidentally fire on one of your ships instead of remote repping it and watch in horror as your shiny carebear fleet gets torn apart.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#32 - 2012-07-25 15:37:47 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
saltrock0000 wrote:
There is a option under the Eve escape key list where you can reset all windows to default positions. I suggest doing this and then using the mouse broadcasting to reposition and resize all windows for all accounts simultaniously.

Other than that be sure to check out the ISboxer videos on Video FX ( basicaly small windows which allow you to see a second of another window on your main window, its pretty cool. ISboxed the crap out of hak and slash MMO's. Who needs a party... not me and my army! mwhahhaa


I have seen dev posts saying it is OK to broadcast mouse clicks, etc. to multiple clients at once, which is easily done with ISBoxer. However, I have not seen dev posts saying that Video FX is OK. Has anyone seen such a dev post?

I have been playing around with ISBoxer and the Video FX feature and think it would be possible to run 100+ account mining operations without too much trouble (provided you have the computing hardware to support such an operation). I just wouldn't want to invest in said hardware if it wasn't allowed.

Perhaps I should petition it. Anyway, has anyone seen such a post?



4 Hulks can wreck an entire belt in very short time. Not sure what you could possibly do with that many simultaneous ships unless you had many groups of them in different locations. Lots of clicking I bet, even with silly multi-box tools.
Kyrinth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-08-05 10:39:21 UTC
"GM Lelouch" wrote:
Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support


As you can see it clearly states that as long as you are "at the controls and issuing the commands yourself" then it is fine. If you were using it in conjunction with some software that allowed it to continue issuing commands to the game while you were AFK then it is not.

Original post by GM Lelouch: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-08-05 11:19:01 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Jason Xado wrote:
saltrock0000 wrote:
There is a option under the Eve escape key list where you can reset all windows to default positions. I suggest doing this and then using the mouse broadcasting to reposition and resize all windows for all accounts simultaniously.

Other than that be sure to check out the ISboxer videos on Video FX ( basicaly small windows which allow you to see a second of another window on your main window, its pretty cool. ISboxed the crap out of hak and slash MMO's. Who needs a party... not me and my army! mwhahhaa


I have seen dev posts saying it is OK to broadcast mouse clicks, etc. to multiple clients at once, which is easily done with ISBoxer. However, I have not seen dev posts saying that Video FX is OK. Has anyone seen such a dev post?

I have been playing around with ISBoxer and the Video FX feature and think it would be possible to run 100+ account mining operations without too much trouble (provided you have the computing hardware to support such an operation). I just wouldn't want to invest in said hardware if it wasn't allowed.

Perhaps I should petition it. Anyway, has anyone seen such a post?



4 Hulks can wreck an entire belt in very short time. Not sure what you could possibly do with that many simultaneous ships unless you had many groups of them in different locations. Lots of clicking I bet, even with silly multi-box tools.


100 machs munching ice belts = **** tons off cash boi :) and very little clicking needed for that badger :)
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