EVE General Discussion

I'm not an expert which is why I'm asking this here. In our group we usually have a logistics ship (just tech 1 for now) just in case a suicide ganker comes up and we have a chance to rep a barge before it goes down. Now as of yet we have not had a suicide ganker show up to test if this really works or not, but that is not the point of the thread.

My question is in regards to the upcoming Crimewatch changes.

This is how it works now, as far as I know:

1.) Enemy warps into belt next to poor unsuspecting barge and opens fire.
2.) Logistic ships activates repair mods on barge. This causes him to become attackable by the enemy ship. However logistics pilot not too worried as CONCORD is on the way.
3.) Enemy pilot's friends warp into belt in big scary ships and wave nicely at the logistics pilot because they know CONCORD is watching.

This is how I believe it works after the Crimewatch changes:

1.) Enemy warps into belt next to poor unsuspecting barge and opens fire.
2.) Logistic ships activates repair mods on barge. This causes him to become attackable by the Universe.
3.) Enemy pilot's friends warp into belt in big scary ships and logistics ship explodes.

Now, I am not saying this is good or bad. I'm just trying to wrap my head around things. I have three questions:

A.) Is my understaning of the current aggression mechanics correct?
B.) Is my understaning of the aggression mechanics after the change correct, based on what has so far been revealed?
C.) Do you think this change would eliminate logistics support from mining operaions (not that there is much of that going on anyways)?

Thanks!

I get that the mining barge changes has an effect on this situation, but I am really just trying to get an understanding of the actual aggression mechincs involved.

In my experience, people who are afraid of getting ganked in High Sec should really learn how to fit a better tank and learn not to complain about the gankers. They're no worse than the occasional rat in the belt every now and then.

newb

I love how pilots, who don't use real fits either to gank hulks, tell others how to fit "real fits".

Maybe your gank ship, should fit a real tank first, then try to suicide hulks. That would really show hulks up.

True, that first guy was a newb. But you should really learn how to use quotes, so you don'e end up looking like a newb yourself.

I don't see how repairing a ship that has not engaged anything or anyone would be flagged.

Unless you decided to start repairing that ship that attacked the barge.

Lots of reasons to, not to embarrass yourself, to install a false pride in others. To worm your way into business and relations. Those aren't ,good, reasons but reasons none the less.

Not quite. Neither 2 nor 3 happens — the barge is not a legal target and has no aggression flag towards the attacker. Therefore, repping him doesn't give anyone the right to go after the logi. If the barge shoots back (why would he?), then the aggression can be transferred to the logi and the attacker could conceivably go after him, but that timer would run out at about the same time as the GCC runs out so the logi is safe. There's also no reason for the enemy's friends to warp in since they can't really do anything.

Unknown so far. They're talking about making it like this, but nothing has been decided. In the first incarnation, the logi would still be completely safe.

That leaves…
It would change it into having Falcons on standby instead since those could attack without triggering the “neutral logi” countermeasures.

^shoot, couldn't pull it off.