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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#1 - 2012-07-13 06:55:52 UTC
Hi folks,


I'm looking at setting up a high sec POS for some general industry. I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to be doing with it long term , but I am going to be researching and copying BPOs, probably trying my hand at T2 invention and I know I want to do some ship production (I can do this at an NPC station if needed).

What I would like to know, is which control tower (don't include faction towers) would work best for this? I also intend to use my army of alts to make the fuel too... once I figure out this PI thing.

Any help would be great.
Pipa Porto
#2 - 2012-07-13 07:40:34 UTC
Caldari.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#3 - 2012-07-13 07:41:52 UTC
Thank you, any particular reason why??
Pipa Porto
#4 - 2012-07-13 07:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Yes.

You didn't ask what reason, you just asked if there was one.

That said,

http://eve.1019.net/pos/

Grab a copy of the EvE Wiki list of POS modules involved in HS industry (Labs, etc), and look at the fitting stats of each POS type.

Just like fitting a ship.

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Princess Strawberry
#5 - 2012-07-13 10:10:29 UTC
If you're not 100% sure what you're doing with it, and it's in high sec, small is best. Fuel is not cheap.

If you're going to make the fuel, then I guess you might mine your own ice products, in which case, get a tower that fits the faction's space you are going to set it up in. Caldari towers need fuel made from the isotopes found in the ice in Caldari space, for example.

They do have different powergrid/cpu but you can overcome any differences because typically you are going to have a core of some labs, assembly arrays and so on, plus some defences. Just adjust what you use for defence. It's easier to "fit" some missile batteries around a Caldari POS, but with a small Gallente POS you could have the same core of, say, 2 labs and a couple of arrays, but you'd get more defences by fitting turrets rather than missiles. In my experience the differences in fitting are relatively minor. There are differences though so if you're a real min/max type person, well, the tower type depends on exactly what you want to squeeze onto it.

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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#6 - 2012-07-13 12:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Abditus Cularius
Caldari (and variants) are considered the best for highsec research because it has the highest CPU, and therefor can fit the most labs.

Minmatar (and variants) are considered the most defensible because anchoring any weapon system to a pos except Arty is sub-optimal.

Generally speaking, if you're just going for some rink-a-dink thing to play about researching with, a small caldari will give you enough CPU for 3 standard labs (9 me, 9pe, 3 copy slots), and can easily be torn down if you get decced. The other racial smalls will limit you to two labs (6me, 6pe, 2 copy)

Edit to add: Building at a pos is can help you turn slightly more money (speed bonus), but greatly increases your risk exposure and work load.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2012-07-13 15:32:09 UTC
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-07-13 20:47:41 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1591859#post1591859


all labs (used in research related jobs) use far more CPU then power. So if you are planning on having many labs you will want a tower (caldari) that has a higher CPU amount.

If I remember correctly a caldari can fit roughly 10 labs and have around 20% resources left over for guns/hardeners/whatever. I'm pulling this off the top of my head but was researching it a few weeks back.

Also you are better off going with a large tower. Small towers will consume less fuel blocks but they are a prime target for wardec's.
FightTh3p0w3r
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-07-15 06:15:38 UTC
If you dont know what your going to be doing with it then I wouldnt put one up...


There are many people that have a highsec tower that let them go to waste or spend more money then what they actually make using it for.


There are also many people and corps that will give access to their high sec tower. I would talk to someone like that before you go investing in a POS that you really dont need.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#10 - 2012-07-15 07:02:31 UTC
FightTh3p0w3r wrote:
If you dont know what your going to be doing with it then I wouldnt put one up...


There are many people that have a highsec tower that let them go to waste or spend more money then what they actually make using it for.


There are also many people and corps that will give access to their high sec tower. I would talk to someone like that before you go investing in a POS that you really dont need.


Ah but I do know. I'm going to be researching prints, as well as gaining knowledge on how to do invention and print copying. The best way to learn is to do, so I'm going to do.

I've got my alts set up making POS fuel now, so thats basically free (trollface). Even if this costs me, its about learning how it all works, maybe making a profit out of it... and besides, its fun. That's what EVE is about after all.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#11 - 2012-07-17 07:09:04 UTC
As a continuance, I'm going to be putting my POS in a 0.7 system in Amarr. Now from what I've discovered, I need 0.7 unmodified standing with Amarr (faction) to do this, is that correct? Whats the easiest way to do it? COSMOS? I have finished all the tutorial agents, and they bumped me up to about 0.3 or so.

Also, I have discovered in the LP stores some little data cards that say they allow you to use a starbase for 1 hour each... are these required to put your POS up? None of the guides I've read have mentioned it.

Also, would I be correct in stating that all I need are the control tower and the labs (and whatever defences)?

Cheers.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-17 07:38:07 UTC
Paikis wrote:
As a continuance, I'm going to be putting my POS in a 0.7 system in Amarr. Now from what I've discovered, I need 0.7 unmodified standing with Amarr (faction) to do this, is that correct? Whats the easiest way to do it? COSMOS? I have finished all the tutorial agents, and they bumped me up to about 0.3 or so.

Also, I have discovered in the LP stores some little data cards that say they allow you to use a starbase for 1 hour each... are these required to put your POS up? None of the guides I've read have mentioned it.

Also, would I be correct in stating that all I need are the control tower and the labs (and whatever defences)?

Cheers.


You need 0.7 corp standing towards the faction to anchor the tower, after that you can add or remove structures even if you corp standing is lower.

Yes, Cosmos missions are the easiest way to increase your faction standing, but you should probably have a look at a faction standing guide. Getting the needed standing is the most difficult part of setting up a POS, and it's not your personal standing it's your corp standing.

The LP store sells starbase charters which is like pos fuel, you need 1 each hour, but it's also possible to buy them of other players.

You can setup defense if you choose to do so, but i hi-sec it's normally not needed. You can defend be just taking the pos down, be that may be unpractical if you are running really long jobs, or don't have the standing to set it up again.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#13 - 2012-07-17 09:25:05 UTC
As a correction to the above, you need 7.0 corp standing towards Amarr to anchor in a .7, not 0.7 standing.

Also, as an extension of the above, if your corp standing falls below 7.0 you can add or remove structures just fine - but the tower itself has to stay anchored, or you'll be unable to reanchor until you're above 7.0 again.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#14 - 2012-07-17 13:32:19 UTC
Princess Strawberry wrote:
If you're not 100% sure what you're doing with it, and it's in high sec, small is best. Fuel is not cheap.

If you're going to make the fuel, then I guess you might mine your own ice products, in which case, get a tower that fits the faction's space you are going to set it up in. Caldari towers need fuel made from the isotopes found in the ice in Caldari space, for example.



No, no no no no.

It isn't cheaper for him to mine the ice for himself. Pos fuel price is pos fuel price whether you mine it yourself or not.

Also, when figuring out if you make a profit or not always calculate the items on sell orders, not buy orders.
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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-17 17:45:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Victoria Sin
Abditus Cularius wrote:
Caldari (and variants) are considered the best for highsec research because it has the highest CPU, and therefor can fit the most labs.

Minmatar (and variants) are considered the most defensible because anchoring any weapon system to a pos except Arty is sub-optimal.

Generally speaking, if you're just going for some rink-a-dink thing to play about researching with, a small caldari will give you enough CPU for 3 standard labs (9 me, 9pe, 3 copy slots), and can easily be torn down if you get decced. The other racial smalls will limit you to two labs (6me, 6pe, 2 copy)

Edit to add: Building at a pos is can help you turn slightly more money (speed bonus), but greatly increases your risk exposure and work load.


True but you can max out two characters in terms of slots with pretty much any of the large towers if you're copying or inventing.

OP factor in fuel cost. A large tower can cost over half a billion a month in fuel. Don't think making the blocks yourself is cheaper. It's exactly the cost of the blocks on the market, because if you don't use them you can sell them anyway. Also, don't go all in for a large one until you've worked out your revenue. I started with a small, which is pretty cheap, but also pretty limited, just to get the hang of things (particularly costs and profits). Now I know what to build and sell I'm running a large.

Also, don't forget that you need high NPC standings to anchor in high-sec. This is something I forgot about so I had to start a new corp, wait for character standings to settle for the character I added to it (which had high standings) and only then could I anchor the POS.
Lucas41
SOMACOM
#16 - 2012-07-21 17:42:05 UTC
As a continuance, I'm going to be putting my POS in a 0.7 system in Amarr. Now from what I've discovered, I need 0.7 unmodified standing with Amarr (faction) to do this, is that correct? Whats the easiest way to do it? COSMOS? I have finished all the tutorial agents, and they bumped me up to about 0.3 or so.


Easiest way to get your corps standings up is the hire a corp booster to sit in your corp for 7 days or buy a pre boosted corp if you're in a hurry.

Lol
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#17 - 2012-07-22 23:55:48 UTC
Paikis wrote:

Ah but I do know. I'm going to be researching prints, as well as gaining knowledge on how to do invention and print copying. The best way to learn is to do, so I'm going to do.

I've got my alts set up making POS fuel now, so thats basically free (trollface). Even if this costs me, its about learning how it all works, maybe making a profit out of it... and besides, its fun. That's what EVE is about after all.


If this is just for your use, and you're doing this partially for the learning experience, go with a Caldari small. The fuel prices won't cripple you. By this I mean the cost of the tower + a few months of fuel will be small enough that even if you somehow aren't able to recoup any of your investment through the pos, it won't be such a big deal, just a few hundred mil. A large tower sort of requires you have large scale, profitable manufacturing ready to go as soon as you online it.

A small tower can put up a couple labs and a manufacturing array or two. Just make sure there's a station in system you can rent a office in, so you won't have to put BPOs in the labs themselves.

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BlueWaffe
#18 - 2012-07-24 18:18:04 UTC
For 2 research personel with 10 job slots each, u recommend a medium tower. I run a medium with 2 advance labs and 2 mobile labs. The mobile labs let me run 10 invention jobs at a time. The advance labs let me run 6 copy jobs and I save 4 jobs for bpo research.

I use a station for manufacturing as this saves on fuel costs.

As for type of pos, use whatever racial group that matches the ice in your area and work on mining locally and making your own fuel. Coincidetally, 2 characters with 6 planets each can also make all pi components needed for pos fuel, leaving some room for overflow that can be used in t2 module and ammo production.

Also, remember the standing requirements to anchor a pos and move out of caldari space. Outside of caldari, there is much less competition for moons and station manufacturing slots.


Alternarively, for starters, use a small caldari pos. It can fit 2 advanced labs, 1 mobile lab to get you started. Again, mine ice locally, refine and sell the isotope to pay for whatever isotope caldari uses and make your fuel that way.
Ginger Barbarella
#19 - 2012-07-24 18:24:22 UTC
Join a research alliance (like NER) to do your research (cheaper than fuel), and make runs to low to do your copy jobs. It'll be a whole lot cheaper than throwing up a tower (small will probalby get you dec'd and the tower popped) if you aren't ready to maximize it's potential to make isk (and pay for itself).

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#20 - 2012-07-25 20:07:57 UTC
A small tower will not get you war decced. It really depends on how visible you are. A 2 man corp in an out of the way system with a small tower will never be noticed. Perhaps if griefers are looking for targets on the forum, or if the guy talks smack in local, yes. But in general, no one will even notice their existance.

Plus the cost and time to gank such a tower isn't worth the limited payout.
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