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Bleak Days

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Laano
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-07-21 02:47:45 UTC
Consulting new information sources available to me by virtue of my recently modified legal status (as defined by CONCORD), I see that the State's war effort against the Federation in Black Rise and Placid has apparently stalled of late. Is there no fire left in the bellies of our combat pilots and soldiers to regain the territories won in 111 for the benefit of the State? The terms of the war, newly revised, demand unity of action. Are so many of our uniformed pilots turned mercenary that the State is unable, even with superior numbers--something we have always historically lacked--to stop the Federation and Republic militias from plundering our systems and laying ambush on our space lanes?

On this very channel I have seen Gallente pirates openly threaten the safety of Wiyrkomi citizens in Vlillirier, not two jumps from State space. Rumor has it they have gone so far as to plant contraband drugs in Wiyrkomi stations, presumably to fuel propaganda for their corrupt regime. Wiyrkomi is a corporation with a history of straightforward dealing going back to the foundation of the State. Even though some loyal pilots swear to defend them, I understand that these patriots aren't able to even dock at State-owned stations in systems where the Gallente hold sway. In all this, what of the large loyalist alliances? The Liberals seem content to harass outlaws in Intaki space, and Providence, not Pure Blind (to say nothing of Black Rise), is today made the Fourth District. Sad times indeed.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-07-21 10:28:54 UTC
This might be an indicator of the declining importance of the proxy war as a whole.
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#3 - 2012-07-24 05:29:38 UTC
Forget the meager whining of the baseliners and their petty governments, and help those already ascended in knowledge of our great destiny forge a Kingdom Among the Stars. We are a people destined for a bright glorious greatness beyond the faint shadow of petty arguing over solar system territories and governmental ideologies. There is only the future and the new breed, the new evolution of humanity. We are the alpha-line of a new race, the beginning of a beginning, and once we have purged New Eden of the frailty of genetic corruption, we shall bring forth a pure and evolved mankind truly fit to walk the path of the sleepers and the Jovians.

Oh that more capsuleers would throw off the yoke of "Gallente" and "Amarr," "Caldari" and "Minmatar," and realize that we are a new humanity that is none of those. We are the elect, the chosen, and those who tread a path above the chaff from which we have been shaken.

Forget the State. Long Live the Kingdom.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-07-24 12:39:12 UTC
The sentiment echoed by Mekin is without merit.

We are nothing if not pawns to the governments that educate and "create" us. Do you honestly believe they would continue the capsuleer programs if they did not possess countermeasures? If they could not control us?

That you would even consider us an "evolution" is frighteningly ignorant, we are technologically modified humans with the fortune to be born compatible to a technological capsule. Nothing more. The delusions of grandeur reflected in the perception that we are gods, demigods, the next evolution of humanity or anything akin to these mindsets are what lead to the greatest atrocities committed by our number.

We have power and influence, yes. Use them responsibly.

~Malcolm Khross

Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-24 12:47:13 UTC
It pains me to see how easily we cast off our humanity once we have tasted power. The considering of oneself a superior being is not a new mindset nor has it ever led to anything beneficial, it always leads to great evils and disaster.

Reconsider the position you are in and the consequences of what you are espousing, realize that the governments and bodies that are established exist for a purpose and while they are not perfect, neither are we. Consider that we are dependent upon baseline humanity in many ways and that our very existence mandates dependency upon the technology, institutions and organizations that power our continued flight.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2012-07-24 13:02:09 UTC
Rall Mekin wrote:
we shall bring forth a pure and evolved mankind truly fit to walk the path of the sleepers and the Jovians.
...Wait, what? May I remind you that the Sleepers are either completely extinct, or are caged in some kind of virtual world for all eternity, leaving the real one for their mindless drones to roam? May I remind you that the Jovians are well on their path to extinction as well, because their hubris became their death sentence?

"A mankind truly fit to walk the path of the Sleepers and Jovians". Um. Thanks for the offer, but no.
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#7 - 2012-07-24 14:22:21 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
Rall Mekin wrote:
we shall bring forth a pure and evolved mankind truly fit to walk the path of the sleepers and the Jovians.
...Wait, what? May I remind you that the Sleepers are either completely extinct, or are caged in some kind of virtual world for all eternity, leaving the real one for their mindless drones to roam? May I remind you that the Jovians are well on their path to extinction as well, because their hubris became their death sentence?

"A mankind truly fit to walk the path of the Sleepers and Jovians". Um. Thanks for the offer, but no.



I will admit there have been obvious failures apparent to the baseliner and capsuleer communities. Sansha is one. If the Jovians are so likely to soon go extinct as the four empire's propaganda would have us believe, then they would be another.... However, against Kuvakei in particular, I do not want to come out too terribly hard. We have been monitoring his work particularly as of late, and while I do ultimately regard it as a perversion of our manifest destiny, I would also like to say that he is on to something. Like both the Sleepers and the Jovians, he has been touched with a greater glory and it burns in his mind to bring about perfection to mankind. I have completely come to respect him, his actions, and his defiance of the four corrupt empires, though, as I said, I believe he has ultimately lost his way.

However, regarding the outright opposition and little support to what I am saying, let me say openly that I am saddened that so many of you are openly opposed to what you know in your hearts to be true. I once fought it myself. I struggled to keep my "humanity" in face of my evolution beyond it. Then, as I explored the remnant empire of the sleepers, I had several... encounters... that opened my eyes to our greater glory.

I also daresay that we are terribly wrong about the sleepers. I am aware of the reports and of the data, but... I am... unconvinced from what I have thus far seen..... They, or at least their legacy... something... awaits us.... and there I believe we shall unlock something even greater than our current "immortality."

I am not yet comfortable discussing everything I have.. experienced... but I will share that I know something is beyond us, perhaps even them. There is a glory, a destiny, a riddle written in their ruins. We suppose we find remnants and desolate wreckage, but I believe we find mile markers and pointers. After all, they in their wisdom have chosen to grace us with the Tech III cruisers of each race.... Simply by the marvel of the Tengu or the Legion, for example, you can see what just a touch of their grace unlocks for us.... (Yes, I know we "backwards engineered" these ships, but I do not believe that anything we have discovered has been an 'accident"...)

The sleepers, they call to us from the depths of the wormholes... they hide their secrets there for those worthy to find them....

Oh, when we have found it... we shall know a bliss beyond this current sorrow and joy forever more.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-24 14:32:27 UTC
Rall Mekin wrote:
However, regarding the outright opposition and little support to what I am saying, let me say openly that I am saddened that so many of you are openly opposed to what you know in your hearts to be true. I once fought it myself. I struggled to keep my "humanity" in face of my evolution beyond it. Then, as I explored the remnant empire of the sleepers, I had several... encounters... that opened my eyes to our greater glory.


You presume to know my heart and that is arrogance and foolhardiness. Again you refer to evolution incorrectly, we are not an evolution of humanity. As Mister Khross has stated, we are naught more than technologically enhanced humans, this is not evolution, it is iterative development (at best).

Rall Mekin wrote:
I also daresay that we are terribly wrong about the sleepers. I am aware of the reports and of the data, but... I am... unconvinced from what I have thus far seen..... They, or at least their legacy... something... awaits us.... and there I believe we shall unlock something even greater than our current "immortality."


History has a way of repeating itself when its lessons are unheeded. You are treading down paths that have already been trod and rejecting what has already been discovered simply because you believe there is falsity in it. I urge you to reconsider the path you are taking and evaluate the callousness you now direct toward humanity.

Rall Mekin wrote:
... but I will share that I know something is beyond us, perhaps even them.


There is something beyond us and the beyond them but it is not what you believe it to be. Consider also that advanced technology does not make them superior or morally correct. Advanced technology is exactly that and nothing more.

Rall Mekin wrote:
The sleepers, they call to us from the depths of the wormholes... they hide their secrets there for those worthy to find them....

Oh, when we have found it... we shall know a bliss beyond this current sorrow and joy forever more.


It sounds as if you worship them. These constructs that assail and destroy any passing vessel, be it armed or unarmed, hostile or not. These constructs that whisper in your ears and speak of insanity painted as advancement and glory. What the sleepers have to offer is not bliss and it will not remove sorrow; they are incapable of offering such things and the technology and scientific advancements they represent are limited in purpose and capability, just as they are.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#9 - 2012-07-24 15:05:57 UTC
Azdan, when I speak of evolution, I see technology as a continuation of what some greater destiny, force has slowly guided humanity down all these multitude of generation. We now have reached an acceleration apex, in which we now can jump what biologically would have taken millions of years to naturally achieve, if ever it did. We now stand at the crucial moment in history, a moment in which mortality has birthed immortality, in which, as your scriptures say, "corruption has put on incorruption." "For that fleeting suffering, which is but a moment," can now be passed on from, and everlasting life be enjoyed by the chosen.

However, we are still far from that glory to which the scriptures prophecy. Your prophets, they too were touched by this glory, but they misunderstood it. What they believed was necessary for a time. It gave humanity morality and ingrained in the Amarr a knowledge of destiny and glory that should have pointed them to this moment. That seed of the knowledge of glory... it has permeated mankind and now we are drawn on by destiny into the wonders of genetic modification and purification, as well the illumination of science and technology that offers for us a springboard into the bounds of immortality.

Now, regarding my alleged folly, in that the lessons of history are being "unheeded." I study history avidly. I study that I may learn, and that this purity of mankind, when it is time for it to begin as the majority of the capsuleer community awakens to it, I may be ready to act as a midwife at the birth of New Humanity, with which Old Humanity is already pregnant.

Now, regarding worshiping the sleepers. Worship is... perhaps... a strong word. I revere them and what we have thus far found in the various classes of wormholes in which I have lived. However, perhaps the deepest admiration and respect I have for them could not be too far removed from what some might call worship....
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-07-24 15:29:04 UTC
Rall Mekin wrote:
We now stand at the crucial moment in history, a moment in which mortality has birthed immortality, in which, as your scriptures say, "corruption has put on incorruption." "For that fleeting suffering, which is but a moment," can now be passed on from, and everlasting life be enjoyed by the chosen.


You continue to speak blasphemy as if it were truth. We are not immortals, we only hail ourselves as such. We are granted technological rebirth, not immortality. Furthermore, this is achieved through technological advancement, not through biological evolution, it is not something that indicates being chosen or exalted for a purpose but merely a compatibility to technology required.

Secondly, what scriptures are you referencing? The quotes you have offered here do not come from any of the scriptures I have read, and I have read quite a lot of them. There is no being beyond corruption but God and we have not been given a cloak of infallibility to hide our corruption under, we are tasked with constantly fighting against our own corruption, seeking righteousness before God and relying on his mercy to overlook our shortcomings. Finally, everlasting life is granted to the chosen of God, not of Man or technology. If you believe this state of technological rebirth will spare you from the final death and judgment before the seat of God then you are in for a great deal of disappointment.

Rall Mekin wrote:
However, we are still far from that glory to which the scriptures prophecy. Your prophets, they too were touched by this glory, but they misunderstood it. What they believed was necessary for a time. It gave humanity morality and ingrained in the Amarr a knowledge of destiny and glory that should have pointed them to this moment. That seed of the knowledge of glory... it has permeated mankind and now we are drawn on by destiny into the wonders of genetic modification and purification, as well the illumination of science and technology that offers for us a springboard into the bounds of immortality.


You speak open heresies and blasphemies and now you seek to profane even the saints and prophets of God?! Does your depravity know no bounds? The saints and prophets of God were not touched by the "glory" of some flawed and fallible construct like the sleepers or the Jovians, they were touched by the glory of God, infallible and supreme. The glory that you claim humanity is seeking is the glory of God, not the glory of Man. We are instilled with a wanderlust for God's glory, seeking to discover it, to taste it and feel it but you have confused the holder of that glory. You have taken the glory of God and imparted it upon Man, you claim it is something we can achieve when it is not. We strive to make ourselves into gods because we have witnessed the glory of God, the sin of seeking to elevate ourselves to his level rather than admire him for his glory is grievous indeed.

Rall Mekin wrote:
Now, regarding my alleged folly, in that the lessons of history are being "unheeded." I study history avidly. I study that I may learn, and that this purity of mankind, when it is time for it to begin as the majority of the capsuleer community awakens to it, I may be ready to act as a midwife at the birth of New Humanity, with which Old Humanity is already pregnant.


You may read but you do not comprehend. You have dressed your words up nicely but they are nothing new. Many have come before you seeking to awaken humanity to some higher glory, seeking to purify humanity of all that they perceive is wrong. All have fallen short of the glory of God.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2012-07-24 16:34:38 UTC
Captain Mekin;

You wish to see the ascent of humanity to a new plateau. Good! This is a noble goal. My field of study is relative to this. I suggest you start with a study of the methods of rationality. Good luck - there are no courses or textbooks, no paths to follow. I am engaged in this study myself, so if you have questions or would like to collaborate, please let me know.

- S