EVE General Discussion

We'll draw his attention to this thread.

This would count for something if they had actually kept their word on "weekly updates until this is FIXED"....b/c they haven't done anything in nearly a month...or even spoken about any changes to inventory for that matter.

Personally i'm not much into thanking ppl who largely ignore me, (and call me a liar) then because of the ignored feedback, they mess up in epic proportions...then complain about how much they are getting badgered and boost about all the extra work they have to put in to fix the problems that THEY created by not listening to their paying customers.

But, thats why we are bugging them, to make sure they do not come under the false assumption a second time that this inventory blunder is perfectly fine and ready to live life as an adult. B/c as it stands, it is not a finished and polish product, it is still broken in many ways, and the ones who should know things about it seem to be ignoring the player base through complete lack of shown interest.

Also, i find it odd that the main dev to respond to any of this thread is THE ONE ON VACATION!!!!!! Does that not seem odd to anybody else?

To Punkturis, you rock, and we are sorry if we offended you, we just wish your fellow Dev's had the same attitude of keeping in touch with the player base.

And to the Dev that said something to the effect the reason more dev's don't respond is something to do w/ the trolling? Well again, guess who caused this mess, grow a pair and own up to the ppl you (dev's involved with this mess) ignored...you can start this by...getting involved with the conversation.

Seems to me that the only ones who think the UI is even remotely fine are those who don't use it really make full use of it — people who have no idea what the problems are and through ignorance therefore prefer to assume that everyone else is stupid rather than to look into what the actual issues are.

We know this. It doesn't solve anything. In fact, with the spring-loaded folder, it tends to make things worse since you accidentally navigate away from the view you're interested in and now have to find your way back to it, which needlessly adds time. In addition, the UI doesn't even implement what you describe correctly. There is no “hold to scroll” functionality — if I grab an item, I can no longer manipulate the tree view, so I have to do that manipulation before-hand, which adds even more needless busywork for something that should happen automatically. If they were going to go with that kind of navigational style they need to actually implement the functionality that makes it work.

…and that pretty much proves the point in my first paragraph.

You have more than one window open at a time to see more than one location at a time, of course. It's the same reason why file managers are moving away from the 1980s-style tree view + file view and into dual views, and it's the same reason people have multiple windows open when they manipulate files using those obsolete file managers. Even with dual views, a lot of them are also implementing things like drop stacks to have a third mini-buffer of stuff that will be remembered and held between the two (or more) views already available.

If you don't see a reason for more than one window you have 1) never organised any larger-size library of stuff; 2) never had transfer stuff between a local and a remote location; 3) never compared two things; 4) never partially mixed/merged two things together; 5) and just in general lived a very very strange and disorganised life.

Then the UI has fundamentally failed. If it cannot support the stuff that it's actually meant to facilitate, then it is completely without purpose and can safely be removed.

Boooriiing

What a disappointing patch. Go back and fix the UI before adding more unnecessary crap to the game.

Yes the goal is for you to be able to safely "AFK" mine in 0.5 in an untanked Hulk and never worry about anything blowing you up because CCP will re-prioritize everything to nerf suicide ganking for the nth time

The new UI blows because we lost functionality. It's fine for those who can't seem to do more than one thing at a time, but for those of us who can and prefer to multitask, it's f**king Hell. Just give back the functionality that lets us multitask effectively.

- Add a button in the ESC menu that says "don't reuse windows!"
- Give us our right-click menus back, specifically: capitals, whether in space or docked, should be able to right-click open Cargo, Corp Hangar, Drone Bay, Fuel Bay. Evidently pos management has similar issues.
- Give us our double-click to open cargo bays back (in a separate window!). How often do you change ships vs. open a cargo bay? It was perfect the way it was: double-click to open cargo, right-click menu to activate a different ship.
- While we're waiting for basically everything else to revert back to old functionality, maybe put a rush on making the Ship Hangar static like the in-station Item Hangar window.

For devs who still don't get it, check out Clive Thompson's article in this month's Wired. There are parallels galore, but the tl;dr is a gazillion open windows makes managing assets far easier. And in Eve, you're constantly managing assets.

The old system worked perfectly in most respects. Feel free to clean things up behind the scenes, but give us our "visual chaos" back!!

ah yea about Inventory guys, its almost ok but there still several bugs u might look into, like now if i want to open ship's cargo in space by pressing cargo icon its openning primary window, i think its should open secondary one (just cargo window which i unstucked from main UI being in station and positioned/stucked it with chats ). Every time docking and repositioning primary window is no go. Thats why many ppl have problems to taking loots(ammos etc) from containers in space, like on sb ops/pos bush etc.

P.S. still would like to hear from Designers who worked on ship textures, why they decided to make mostly spaceships in camouflage, is it not absurd? i mean its not "Tanks online" etc.

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What did you do wiht Mackinaw?

It no more has a 100% ice yield bonus!!!

I think there BIG mistake in rebalance when ROLE bonus was change to STRIP MINER 50% because Mackinaw is ICE oriented exhumer. It's shurely BUG.
Please return or add ICE ROLE bonus: 100% ice harvester yield. Or decrease ice harvester time duration at least 50%. Because It is, when compared it with 100% ice harvesting yield.
Otherwise where now an Ice oriented exhumer? All of them now has ONLY strip miner yield ROLE bonuses and no one ICE Role anymore.
If you say: "it hase ice role - 33,33% reduction in ice harvester duration". But it was 50% when compared it's with 100% ice harvesting yield.
And in this case when 50% you reduce to 33% - mackinaw ceases to be an Ice harvesting exhumer.

So! When will you implement the checkbox to open new windows as default? If it is possible to open new windows via a fugging bad shortcut, why do you decline such an easy solution with the DEFAULT NEW WINDOW via checkbox in the ESC-menu?

I hate your (Arrow's) dumb idea of only one window and tree view? What is this sh!t? Do you really want to copy Windows7's Start Menu? Bad idea! I hate this too! Furthermore it does not fit into EVE! DRAG & DROP was EVER a good soulution. But this only works with two windows for me! Call it like you want.. UI or Crapified Inventory... IT IS SH!T at this moment!
Why goes the looting window of a wreck back to the ships cargohold after looting? It MUST close itself!

MORE windows as default via a simple checkbox! Everyone who loves this bad fugging Crap UI now, can leave this checkbox behind and never look at it. But a lot of other people would check this to be able to play a game, as they have learned years back!

I am a missionrunner.. I was a missionrunner from the beginning till the 22.05.2012! I made several missions a day, had several storylines per week! And now? Perhaps I will have my first storyline mission, after 22.05, today if I have enough energy to play a game I currently hate!

DO THIS CHECKBOX AND MANY PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY AGAIN! Why decline such an easy solution. Just to be self-opinionated and to defend a really dumb idea from a developer without any clue of EVE?