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Moon Goo extraction + Reaction question
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#1 - 2012-07-22 20:24:49 UTC
I have a tower that extracts a certain moon mineral... I want to harvest that and then react it in the same station with another, non-native, product.

What modules would I need and how would I configure them to extract product A, Import Product B, and react A and B together to give me product C (which would then be exported).

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-22 22:06:16 UTC
well it doesn't matter which material you are extracting out of the moon, as long as you have enough CPU at the tower (Caldari is usually used because of this)

Harvester - - coupling array - - Reactor Small - - silo
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Silo - /
3155 cpu
Is the most basic and easiest to handle. because of the cpu requirements it means that its a caldari or Gallente medium tower or a full tower. Leave 200 units in the coupling array and you wont have any issues. plus it can handle some overflow if you miss out refilling the input silo.

you can also do

h - r - s
c-c/
2810 cpu
but you really do need to attend it every day or so. as if there is no material in the two couplings to react then you lose out on everything. with the first example at least, you still get some of the raw moon goo in the coupling. Minmatar, Gallente or Caldari medium

the smallest you can do a reaction is

h-r-c
c/
2465 cpu
which means you are still looking at a medium tower and attending it every 8 hours (the exit coupling fills fast) . not worth it in my opinion.
Amarr, caldari, Gallente, Minmatar medium tower

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#3 - 2012-07-22 22:58:08 UTC
Would you be able to get away with one silo Like the same silo that holds Product B is the same place that product C gets dumped into after the reaction?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#4 - 2012-07-22 23:38:52 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Would you be able to get away with one silo Like the same silo that holds Product B is the same place that product C gets dumped into after the reaction?


No, silos can only hold one type of thing at a time.

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#5 - 2012-07-22 23:53:06 UTC
Thank you for your advice.

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-23 01:12:55 UTC
in theory you could. if you switched it after the cycle started with no previous cycles (Or losing a cycle of reaction in the process). but thats more hassle then its worth.

but iirc that reactors need both inputs and an output before they are happy enough to react something. and if you are setting up a reaction, you arent going to be doing one cycle. or at least you shouldnt be. i guess there are always exemptions.

towers cycle in one hour increments. starting when they finish their onlineing process. so if you begin the onlining a large tower at 0100 evetime, the tower will cycle at 0130 eve, 0230 eve etc. it is possible to swap the input and output structures (say a silo and a coupling) but there are very few reasons to do so.

also be aware that some reactions take more then two inputs. so if you are doing a second stage reaction (Intermediate to Composite) you may need additional silos or coupling arrays.

Im pretty sure that all moon-intermediate reactions take only two inputs.

Ive also found that staging an alt in a hauler at the reaction pos to be of great use to me when i dont have the time to fully maintenance the pos. takes less then five minutes to log in the alt, empty 35 hours (7,000 m/3) from the exit silo and log off. giving a nice buffer if you are pressed for time.

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#7 - 2012-07-23 03:14:08 UTC
That is good to know. That does bring me to a few follow-up questions.

So does the Moon harvester and the reactor operate at the same level of goods? (I think its 100 units per tick right?)

Also: In regards to the different flavors of reactions. If I'm dealing with Raw Moon Material + Raw Moon material...that's a simple reaction right? Even if its Sillicates + Hydrocarbons or Tech + Platinum?

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-07-23 09:02:56 UTC
1, yes, they both operate at 100 units. the output is 200 units (at 1m/3 p/u) so your output may fill up quickly. (if you were doing a secondary reaction that reactor would also only use 100 of each material. so at least silo in between is a good idea.)

2. yes, there are three stages of moon goo.

- Raw (moon material),
- Processed (intermediate)
- Advanced (Composite)

utilizing two reactions simple ( raw to processed) and complex (processed to advanced)

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#9 - 2012-07-24 01:01:15 UTC
One last question: Can one get away without a coupling array

So have it be

Moon Harvesting > Simple Reaction > Export silo
Imported Moon goo silo ^

I'm working on a build and it is a *really* tight fit and that 5 cpu extra that the coupling array uses throws the whole thing off. If I could do without it, it would make me happy...

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-24 02:30:17 UTC
yes.

just be aware of your tower cycle timer for adding and subtracting materials.

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#11 - 2012-07-24 12:40:52 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
yes.

just be aware of your tower cycle timer for adding and subtracting materials.



Can you elaborate on this?

If I have my import silo full of materials and there is empty space available in my export silo, will I be at any risk of losing materials when my tower cycles?

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