Crime & Punishment

Neg 10 honors ransoms. No need for these jokers if your swinging by Rancer. :)

Do you cover things bigger than frigs?

lol

I'm confused by your sig. Should I pay you isk for providing advertisement for our corp, or should I demand that you pay for using our brand? Hmm.

Cool idea.



You mean, in contrast to you? Why all the Neg Ten hate?

If you don't wish to use the service you don't have to, doesn't mean you have to try and derail it.

Piece of advice for you, there is a world outside 0.4. Let the adults do the talking, universe doesn't revolve around you.

Tuskers, best of luck to you guys.

Put less diplomatically than my colleague, imo, your messaging our ceo is an insult to our alliance on 2 fronts:

1. It suggests somehow you are a more honourable entity and that we are not trustworthy.
2. It suggests you operate on some superior plane to us and as such deserve a piece of our pie.

Our honour, our pie, our work, our isk.

We will, as ever continue to honour ransoms and 1 vs 1.

Rudeboi has a point. Tuskers have targeted completely the wrong corps and this service should be aimed towards smaller pirate corporations who need the reputation. Someone with half a brain should be able to figure that out.

Before they say "We have" consider the following on the mailing list.

Us - Negative Ten
Shadow Cartel
The Bastards
SCUM
VETO
Snuff Box
TEARS
SOTF

and I can go on.

These corps/alliances have been around for years and have never needed this sevice before. Why on earth would they need it now?

Back to the drawing board I think.

This is true enough and for ransoms where the person isn't the brightest, this could add a bit of complexity. However, if they recognise us but not you, then it could be benificial - "Oh I don't know these guys, but I recognise The Tuskers and will pay a ransom etc etc....."

We're thinking about possibly removing the fee for a week or two so people can get a feel for it before they get paid.



Fair points, but some of us actually leave stations & gates and know how to bump when we are on them so aggression/reapproach timers aren't generally an issue (barring pods).

This service is generally not aimed at larger, more established pirate corporations/alliances. Those organizations should have their own built up reputation. However, if they move outside their comfort zone (for the united this would be outside the hagilur pocket...) and try to ransom people there, they might not be as well known and the ransom could fail. That's where this service comes in.

This service is basicially for two groups of users:

1) Smaller, less known pirate corporations who can use our reputation to secure a ransom
2) Larger pirate corporations who are trying to ransom in areas they are not well known in, but we are.

Hope that helps!

It's a good idea, and I can imagine the few 'proper pirates' r1fta has will at least consider using it (though I think most of us never ransomed anyone ever tbh).

We already have our own internal rule that people must honour ransoms if they offer them, but an initiative like this might lend credibility and resolve trust issues in 'greater New Eden'. And is therefore at the core a very good idea imho.

I have a few questions though;

How will you let the bears ignorant enough to even be in a position where their ransom worthy ship is in a ransom situation know about this service? Because ultimately whether other pirates trust you is irrelevant what matters if the bears know about it and trust you sufficiently. And the bears that end up in lowsec tackled and dying aren't generally the smart ones or very deeply immersed in the larger EVE community.

And while a pirate might be happy to trust you with holding onto his ISK for a little while, why exactly do they trust you with where their richest hunting grounds are, because beyond 5% you also gather quite a bit of other information in the process and you're the competition you know...

But overall the idea is solid, have you considered adding bounty escrow to the repertoire?