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Fighters are pointless now.

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Ciel Dunois
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-11 04:54:11 UTC
Fighters will have their tracking nerf more than 3 times with the increase of resolution from 125 to 400.

Now by itself is not a problem, but you gotta remember that fighters orbit their target at 1km, meaning you're going to need high tracking with fighters don't.


That means that fighters will no longer be able to hit STATIONARY BATTLESHIPS.

In order to hit with fighters you will need to target paint battleships, but at that point a fighter bomber will out dps a fighter on battleships.

If you want to defend against subcaps you're better off using heavy or sentry drones. For Capitals and up you use Fighter Bombers.

Fighters are now pointless.

For a carrier fighters will have little use, you're better off using regular drones now. No point of getting a carrier to fight against other capital ships which will tear it apart.

Now that i've said that its time to sell my fighters and fill my carrier with tech 2 heavies and sentries.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#2 - 2011-10-11 04:58:48 UTC
dear moron.


All nerfs are subject to change and nothing is set in stone until the day before deployment. If you have issues, post with your main and offer better feedback in the proper test server forums and eve information portal.

Also fitting a target painter or 2 never hurt anyone.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Sin Meng
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-11 05:00:05 UTC
This sounds a lot like something you might want to post in, oh I dunno, the official feedback thread? You know, the one the dev(s) responsible for these PROPOSED changes are watching for said feedback? If you're in the interest of raging and attracting trolls like a swarm of hungry wasps then go ahead. But if you're in the interest of influencing the changes then change your tone to something less accusatory and more constructive, and put it where it belongs.

P.S. You mildly upset?

Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4 - 2011-10-11 05:00:10 UTC
How about we give fighters ewar along with thier dp? Like Minmatar fighters shot target paitners?

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Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-11 05:01:04 UTC
Cry more please. Your tears sustain me. So delicious!
Ciel Dunois
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-11 05:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciel Dunois
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
dear moron.


All nerfs are subject to change and nothing is set in stone until the day before deployment. If you have issues, post with your main and offer better feedback in the proper test server forums and eve information portal.

Also fitting a target painter or 2 never hurt anyone.


Like I said, if a battleship is painted you should just use Fighter Bombers. You're a moron for suggesting a carrier should sacrifice mids for target painters.

Kumq uat wrote:
Cry more please. Your tears sustain me. So delicious!


Why don't you go scavenge for isk like you poor RvBer's usually do.
Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-11 05:04:22 UTC
Ciel Dunois wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
dear moron.


All nerfs are subject to change and nothing is set in stone until the day before deployment. If you have issues, post with your main and offer better feedback in the proper test server forums and eve information portal.

Also fitting a target painter or 2 never hurt anyone.


Like I said, if a battleship is painted you should just use Fighter Bombers. You're a moron for suggesting a carrier should sacrifice mids for target painters.

Kumq uat wrote:
Cry more please. Your tears sustain me. So delicious!


Why don't you go scavenge for isk like you poor RvBer's usually do.


Check my corp history. I am Guiding Hand. You were saying?
Alice Katsuko
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-11 05:05:57 UTC
Link to where the tracking speed reduction was announced, please?

So far the only officially announced change to fighters involves increasing their signature resolution* to 400m, which is identical to the scan resolution of sentry drones. So fighters should not have significant issues hitting battleships.

*Note that signature resolution affects a turret's chance to hit the target. It's not the same thing as signature radius, which is an object's size. Fighter signature radius will remain unaffected, so fighters will not be more vulnerable to bombs.
Handsome Hussein
#9 - 2011-10-11 05:08:35 UTC
Man, they're coming out of the woodwork! How long will this flood of tears last?

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Ciel Dunois
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-11 05:09:51 UTC
Alice Katsuko wrote:
Link to where the tracking speed reduction was announced, please?

So far the only officially announced change to fighters involves increasing their signature resolution* to 400m, which is identical to the scan resolution of sentry drones. So fighters should not have significant issues hitting battleships.

*Note that signature resolution affects a turret's chance to hit the target. It's not the same thing as signature radius, which is an object's size. Fighter signature radius will remain unaffected, so fighters will not be more vulnerable to bombs.


Problem is that a firbolg fighter orbits the target at a range of 1500m and it orbits at the velocity of 280m/s.

The fighter has 0.1 rad/sec, meaning that the fighter will destroy its own tracking by orbiting.

The 125m sig resolution compensated for that so it could hit battleships and battle cruisers, but with 400m that's not the case anymore.
Sin Meng
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-11 05:11:01 UTC
Handsome Hussein wrote:
Man, they're coming out of the woodwork! How long will this flood of tears last?


The tears, they fall like rain!

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#12 - 2011-10-11 05:12:16 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
If you have issues, post with your main


As the CEO of morons, I have to tell you that you've just lost the privilege to call others morons.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-11 05:15:32 UTC
Aren't regular carriers supposed to be able to damage battlehip-sized targets. I agree on nerfing supercaps but I've always considered the carrier as the anti-BS capital ship.

As others have pointed out, you should test this and then post it in the official feedbackthread.
PyroTech03
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-11 05:15:44 UTC
Ciel Dunois wrote:
Fighters will have their tracking nerf more than 3 times with the increase of resolution from 125 to 400.

Now by itself is not a problem, but you gotta remember that fighters orbit their target at 1km, meaning you're going to need high tracking with fighters don't.


That means that fighters will no longer be able to hit STATIONARY BATTLESHIPS.

In order to hit with fighters you will need to target paint battleships, but at that point a fighter bomber will out dps a fighter on battleships.

If you want to defend against subcaps you're better off using heavy or sentry drones. For Capitals and up you use Fighter Bombers.

Fighters are now pointless.

For a carrier fighters will have little use, you're better off using regular drones now. No point of getting a carrier to fight against other capital ships which will tear it apart.

Now that i've said that its time to sell my fighters and fill my carrier with tech 2 heavies and sentries.


Umm...they won't be able to carry t2 heavies and sentries. The bay will only hold fighters and bombers now.

Way to read only part of it :P
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#15 - 2011-10-11 05:18:53 UTC
PyroTech03 wrote:
Ciel Dunois wrote:
Fighters will have their tracking nerf more than 3 times with the increase of resolution from 125 to 400.

Now by itself is not a problem, but you gotta remember that fighters orbit their target at 1km, meaning you're going to need high tracking with fighters don't.


That means that fighters will no longer be able to hit STATIONARY BATTLESHIPS.

In order to hit with fighters you will need to target paint battleships, but at that point a fighter bomber will out dps a fighter on battleships.

If you want to defend against subcaps you're better off using heavy or sentry drones. For Capitals and up you use Fighter Bombers.

Fighters are now pointless.

For a carrier fighters will have little use, you're better off using regular drones now. No point of getting a carrier to fight against other capital ships which will tear it apart.

Now that i've said that its time to sell my fighters and fill my carrier with tech 2 heavies and sentries.


Umm...they won't be able to carry t2 heavies and sentries. The bay will only hold fighters and bombers now.

Way to read only part of it :P



You should try the same, he's talking CARRIER, Not Super...
And ya, Carriers are no longer worth a crap either, other than for hauling....Lol

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-11 05:23:11 UTC
PyroTech03 wrote:
Ciel Dunois wrote:
Fighters will have their tracking nerf more than 3 times with the increase of resolution from 125 to 400.

Now by itself is not a problem, but you gotta remember that fighters orbit their target at 1km, meaning you're going to need high tracking with fighters don't.


That means that fighters will no longer be able to hit STATIONARY BATTLESHIPS.

In order to hit with fighters you will need to target paint battleships, but at that point a fighter bomber will out dps a fighter on battleships.

If you want to defend against subcaps you're better off using heavy or sentry drones. For Capitals and up you use Fighter Bombers.

Fighters are now pointless.

For a carrier fighters will have little use, you're better off using regular drones now. No point of getting a carrier to fight against other capital ships which will tear it apart.

Now that i've said that its time to sell my fighters and fill my carrier with tech 2 heavies and sentries.


Umm...they won't be able to carry t2 heavies and sentries. The bay will only hold fighters and bombers now.

Way to read only part of it :P


Oh jesus, he said CARRIERS. Not super carriers. Carriers are not being nerfed. Super carriers are, and fighters are.

When i am out and about with my carriers, i don't use fighters anyway, am always a cap/RR bunny anyway, with a flight of lights to whore on some nice KM's \o/

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-11 05:24:02 UTC
This was my concern as well when I saw this. In the end though, carriers are meant to have support fleets. They are meant to act as a logistics powerhouse, not direct DPS.

If you are bringing a carrier, bring some ships with target painters in the fleet, and assign fighters to them. Extra DPS for those ships. Sounds fine and balanced to me.

OTOH, if a single target painter isnt enough to allow a BS sized target to be hit, and it becomes necessary to bring extreme ewar to make them effective, we have a problem, as fighters ARE meant to be effective against battleships.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#18 - 2011-10-11 05:24:14 UTC
PyroTech03 wrote:
Ciel Dunois wrote:
Fighters will have their tracking nerf more than 3 times with the increase of resolution from 125 to 400.

Now by itself is not a problem, but you gotta remember that fighters orbit their target at 1km, meaning you're going to need high tracking with fighters don't.


That means that fighters will no longer be able to hit STATIONARY BATTLESHIPS.

In order to hit with fighters you will need to target paint battleships, but at that point a fighter bomber will out dps a fighter on battleships.

If you want to defend against subcaps you're better off using heavy or sentry drones. For Capitals and up you use Fighter Bombers.

Fighters are now pointless.

For a carrier fighters will have little use, you're better off using regular drones now. No point of getting a carrier to fight against other capital ships which will tear it apart.

Now that i've said that its time to sell my fighters and fill my carrier with tech 2 heavies and sentries.


Umm...they won't be able to carry t2 heavies and sentries. The bay will only hold fighters and bombers now.

Way to read only part of it :P



Supercarriers wont. Normal carriers will.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#19 - 2011-10-11 05:29:15 UTC
So fighters will not be able to even hit stationary battleships... You better tell them immediately.

It will be horrible if their nerf of capital ship damage against sub-cap ships ends up nerfing capital ships' ability to damage sub-cap ships, the travesty.

Nyan
Ciel Dunois
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-11 05:29:24 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
This was my concern as well when I saw this. In the end though, carriers are meant to have support fleets. They are meant to act as a logistics powerhouse, not direct DPS.

If you are bringing a carrier, bring some ships with target painters in the fleet, and assign fighters to them. Extra DPS for those ships. Sounds fine and balanced to me.

OTOH, if a single target painter isnt enough to allow a BS sized target to be hit, and it becomes necessary to bring extreme ewar to make them effective, we have a problem, as fighters ARE meant to be effective against battleships.


The problem is that a single painter won't be enough. You will need atleast two for fighters to hit sufficiently.
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