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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-07-24 00:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Koujjo Dian
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#2 - 2012-07-24 01:04:09 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!

Catching mission runners is best done one of two ways:
1. Sneak covops frigate into mission and point him up close and personal.
2. Bum rush the mission and hope you catch him while he's afk. If he bails from mission you have a chance of catching him on the gate when he warps back to the mission. But there's a lot of luck involved.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-07-24 01:47:11 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!


If you want fights, quit trying to fight lp farmers and go roaming through 0.0
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-24 02:13:43 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!


If you want fights, quit trying to fight lp farmers and go roaming through 0.0


Eh, I've been to 0.0. Was just as much empty space as low sec. Maybe more.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-07-24 02:15:23 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!

Catching mission runners is best done one of two ways:
1. Sneak covops frigate into mission and point him up close and personal.
2. Bum rush the mission and hope you catch him while he's afk. If he bails from mission you have a chance of catching him on the gate when he warps back to the mission. But there's a lot of luck involved.



Almost caught one with my slicer a few min ago. If I would have locked him earlier I would have had him. Seems kinda dead tonight. Were bunches of them earlier. So you mean hunt stealth bombers with a stealth bomber? Don't really know much about them. Don't they do crap damage to other frigs?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#6 - 2012-07-24 02:37:54 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!

Catching mission runners is best done one of two ways:
1. Sneak covops frigate into mission and point him up close and personal.
2. Bum rush the mission and hope you catch him while he's afk. If he bails from mission you have a chance of catching him on the gate when he warps back to the mission. But there's a lot of luck involved.



Almost caught one with my slicer a few min ago. If I would have locked him earlier I would have had him. Seems kinda dead tonight. Were bunches of them earlier. So you mean hunt stealth bombers with a stealth bomber? Don't really know much about them. Don't they do crap damage to other frigs?

Guns on cov ops frig is what I meant. But if you web him the NPCs usually take care of him (from what I hear). For the bum rush technique you have to overheat everything and lock him at just hte right time. Not too early to give him audible warning, but not too late that he warps away.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#7 - 2012-07-24 03:15:56 UTC
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/52182-Anathema-Counterintelligence.html is an Anathema fit for killing FW missioners with some theory and a video. It's worked for me.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-07-24 04:24:20 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/52182-Anathema-Counterintelligence.html is an Anathema fit for killing FW missioners with some theory and a video. It's worked for me.


Lol pure awesome :). Don't have the skills for it atm but was planning on training missiles eventually.
Seraphine Keratuus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-24 06:43:23 UTC
Hunting Missionrunners can be funny but as people have told you its mostly a waste of time.
If you get the chance...sure (for example you sit on a gate and a Missionbeacon pops up...why not warp to it and try to catch him ? ) but dont overdo it, they are very hard to catch for little reward actually.

My best advice would be to team up with a few other pilots from your militia. I dont mean a large fleet of 20+ or smt just a few guys you can share intel with via coms. Hunting as a wolfpack is much easier as hunting as a lone wolf.
You also can ask each other for advice etc. Its not as boring if prey is scarce.

Many fights and targets in eve are targets/fights of Opportunity. If you are not in the right place at the right time and not in the right ship...you cant take the fight etc.
With just a few Wingmates you open up alot more Targets. And it doesnt mean you have to fight every solo-frigate with your entire Fleet, it just means you can have backup if you need it.
Uris Vitgar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-07-24 15:29:01 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/52182-Anathema-Counterintelligence.html is an Anathema fit for killing FW missioners with some theory and a video. It's worked for me.


Wouldn't a laser purifier be better at that? Well, if it works it works
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#11 - 2012-07-24 17:29:50 UTC
A fast frig with a long point also works for mission runners. Overall, expect to catch only a small portion of the mission runners you come across since a lot of them are built specifically to GTFO at the drop of a hat.

ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#12 - 2012-07-24 17:29:51 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!



I too, on the amarr minmatar side, have sensed that pvp has dropped fairly dramatically. It was great right before and after inferno but now I have the same problems you are. I can do plexes in the main minmatar base systems (dal, kourm, auga, huola) and no one comes to try to defend them. I guess they figure they will just run defensive plexes after I leave.

The reason there are few places to find pvp (kamela kourm gate is one, and you should only go there if you have a blob) is because of the station lock outs.

I would be interested to see the statistics on how much pvp there is in plexes compared to when inferno first came out. It seems that the initial phase has died as people realize plexes are best captured in pve fits. Of the explosions that happen in plexes I wonder how many are of ships that fit no weapons.

Its a sad state - but you already know that. You want answers.

Well I have to agree with the others. If I see a mission and wts in system I may try to catch them every now and then. But I don't base all my pvp on trying to catch pve ships. Missions are a pve activity, so ccp intentionally made it so the missioners can usually get away. You can occassionally catch them on gates or before they warp out . But its not easy. Working as intended I believe.

As far as getting pvp I think you have the options of joining large fleets that camp in and around kourm. Or you can join a smaller roaming fleet. But again times are getting lean. Or if solo or only a few you can try running plexes in the systems I mention.

I make sure I am only opening plexes in systems with allot of wts. I also name my ship "fw plexxer" so even the dumbest minmatar can figure out where to find me. But again even there the pvp is drying up. I can't yet say it's worse than before inferno. But certainly my last 2 eve sessions have been pretty poor.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Rigel Vex
Hull Warning
#13 - 2012-07-24 21:03:15 UTC
Honestly If you want fights in FW i suggest going pirate :) Best of both worlds!
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#14 - 2012-07-24 21:20:09 UTC
In caldari FW space you have to beat neutrals off with a stick while you are fighting the gallente, lots of targets, so...what rigel said Pirate
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#15 - 2012-07-24 22:38:23 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!


My suggestion is to work the angles on the plexes, they really are your friend. Station camping leads to station games, carrier repping, and general lameness. Gate camping somewhat less so, but you need to be willing to run an alt to scout the other side or deal with being baited into fighting gangs on a semi-regular basis.

If you're looking to pick fights on plexes, camp the ingate. Open the plex in a system that has traffic, and camp the gate without entering it; you're more likely to get someone to land on you at zero, checking it out, than to have them come to gate, see you on scan, and decide to pick a fight with you. The mechanics of the gates serve you well in more than one way; if you get a running fight with someone that drags off gate, reinforcements for them can't warp directly to them as long as they're on grid, their warp is re-centered on the gate. This can be useful for breaking up careless gangs.

If you're looking to hunt the stabbed out LP farmers, it's easier said than done, but an interceptor isn't a bad place to start. A dual scram Malediction or Taranis will beat their stabs, and they can keep up if the farmer runs a 10mn AB, and deliver reasonable damage. Hard to kill a combat fit ship in a farmer-killing ship though. You might also consider a dual web stealth bomber, I've seen those used as a way to catch speed tanking farmers in mediums and majors.
Dan Carter Murray
#16 - 2012-07-25 09:39:18 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!

Catching mission runners is best done one of two ways:
1. Sneak covops frigate into mission and point him up close and personal.
2. Bum rush the mission and hope you catch him while he's afk. If he bails from mission you have a chance of catching him on the gate when he warps back to the mission. But there's a lot of luck involved.



Almost impossible to do #1 since ccp changed a-gate activation distance to <2,000. You used to be able to enter cloaked.

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Dan Carter Murray
#17 - 2012-07-25 09:41:30 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
So I'm getting better at PVP. I've got a few fits that actually work now and I'm starting to get some kills and I've gotten a lot better at managing my modules and cap ect. But it seems like the only targets I fight are ones that engage me, not the other way around. I know the state of things with Amarr FW aren't helping things. I sit in my minor plex and 90% of the Missiontars are happy to leave me there while they farm LP in missions. I want to be proactive and create fights instead of waiting for them to happen to me.

It seems to me FW targets are always found in one of a handful of places, on gates, in plexes, in missions or in stations. I need some good strategies for dealing with these targets once found. Fellow militia members told me not to bother catching mission runners but I want a second opinion. I almost got one today in my slow as hell tormentor and made one stealth bomber explode when aligned to warp out and the NPCs popped him.

So maybe with an interceptor I can start catching some of these missioners, but what about the other places kills could be made? Any strategies for camping gates (solo)? Or even stations? Thanks!


If you want fights, quit trying to fight lp farmers and go roaming through 0.0


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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-07-25 13:29:08 UTC
Thanks for the replies. Looks like my best option is to just keep doing what I'm doing. I did eight minor plexes all over the front lines yesterday and nobody even bothered to check me out. Kind of discouraging but FW is kinda borked atm. I'll just take the fights where I can get them and take the free LP when there's no fights to be had.

Hopefully something will change soon and get some activity going again.
Ezra Tair
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-07-25 13:52:29 UTC
People that are not interested in the fights have swarmed FW for the isk rewards. I had a buddy (in a merlin with < 2 mill SP) out last night and while in a merlin and a rifter could not get a corocer and his merlin friend to engage for anything inside a minor plex. They decided that they would try to bore us away by declaring how they were not going to engage us. So we split up and capped the two minor plexes they were taking.


Your not the only one unable to get fights.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#20 - 2012-07-25 14:49:37 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Thanks for the replies. Looks like my best option is to just keep doing what I'm doing. I did eight minor plexes all over the front lines yesterday and nobody even bothered to check me out. Kind of discouraging but FW is kinda borked atm. I'll just take the fights where I can get them and take the free LP when there's no fights to be had.

Hopefully something will change soon and get some activity going again.



Solutions have been proposed and I beleive hans will present them to CCP. Whether ccp will listen or not we have to wait and see.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815