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Ehrghiez

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#1 - 2012-07-23 19:38:28 UTC

Its been well over a year since I've played. Coming back isn't exactly like riding a bicycle haha. At any rate, I have sufficient skills to fly a Domi and Perma-rep most L4 missions. Or at least thats how I remember it haha.

With only 6.5mil SP I can run L4s without a problem albeit it slowly using a Dominix. This is without the use of Sentries. Being honest I've never used Sentries. I can use T1 Sentries, but have yet to do so.

On the flip side of things I've always toyed around with the idea of flying a Raven for the increased efficiency in mission times. I've always found that L4 missions take longer than I care for while flying a Domi. This could be due to my not using Sentries, but if someone could elaborate on that, I'd appreciate it.

I have almost no Caldari Ship skills, but wouldnt mind training towards a Raven if it would be worth it in the long run.

I can equip T2 Cap Rechargers, Hardeners, and Armor Repair modules. So my armor is solid enough.

To be safe when flying my Domi I use the basic PvE load-outs emphasizing on cap stability and armor repair.

All of that being said my question is; Should I continue to train into Gallente Platforms for L4 Missions, or would it be a better choice in the long run to cross train into the Raven despite having almost none of the necessary skills? If not, what would be some effective Domi fits to increase DPS.

This is a standard set up I used to use before going on hiatus. Or something similar to this. Obvious hardener changes due to rat damage types, etc.

[Dominix, New Setup 2]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Ancillary Current Router I

Hammerhead II x5
Ogre I x5
Hornet II x5

Bleep blop...Bloop..Blip..

Denuo Secus

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#2 - 2012-07-23 19:49:29 UTC | Edited by: Denuo Secus

It's not a regular Dominix but maybe this fit can be downgraded so it works (as well with your current skills):

[Dominix Navy Issue, Damage]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier
Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Caldari Navy Co-Processor

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II

Garde II x5
Warden II x5

- 1246 DPS with Garde and Null ammo
- 13+18km blaster range using Null
- Garde: 51+12km
- Warden: 127+30km
- 2215 DPS omni tanked for 40sec OR
- 1124 DPS tanked with one ASB

Running one ASB at one time worked for me in lvl4 missions. Maybe it's a bit overtanked. If so add another Omnidirectional Tracking Link.

Ehrghiez

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#3 - 2012-07-23 19:54:26 UTC

Denuo Secus wrote:

It's not a regular Dominix but maybe this fit can be downgraded so it works:

[Dominix Navy Issue, Damage]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier
Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Caldari Navy Co-Processor

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II

Garde II x5
Warden II x5

- 1246 DPS with Garde and Null ammo
- 13+18km blaster range using Null
- Garde: 51+12km
- Warden: 127+30km
- 2215 DPS omni tanked for 40sec OR
- 1124 DPS tanked with one ASB

Running one ASB at one time worked for me in lvl4 missions. Maybe it's a bit overtanked. If so add another Omnidirectional Tracking Link.

That looks fairly solid and might be something I use on the road to the Raven if I choose to go that route. As it is now I have almost Zero shield tanking ability. Thanks for the advice though =)

Bleep blop...Bloop..Blip..

Denuo Secus

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#4 - 2012-07-23 20:08:55 UTC | Edited by: Denuo Secus

Ehrghiez wrote:

That looks fairly solid and might be something I use on the road to the Raven if I choose to go that route. As it is now I have almost Zero shield tanking ability. Thanks for the advice though =)

Since you want max tank&gank in PvE shield tanking is far superior IMHO. Using the new fueled shield boosters a lot of non-natural shield tankers work quite nice now when shield tanked. That way you can use low slots for more damage, range and tracking.

On the other hand the new Reactive Armor Hardener is very interesting for armor tanking in PvE. I tested it on Sisi (using a Kronos). After short time your armor resists are adapted to the damage dealt by the NPCs. I was able to tank any lvl4 I tried with one faction rep without much problems. At the end I barely needed to run my rep.

Ehrghiez

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#5 - 2012-07-23 20:18:32 UTC

Denuo Secus wrote:

Ehrghiez wrote:

That looks fairly solid and might be something I use on the road to the Raven if I choose to go that route. As it is now I have almost Zero shield tanking ability. Thanks for the advice though =)

Apparently there are a few changes to the game I have not come to be made aware of yet. Fueled Shield Boosters and Reactive Armor hardeners being the missed subject. I'll have to look into those.

To be honest I just want something thats effective. The Domi in my experience is just slow to mission with, and I want to maximize efficiency without too much risk. I'd run with just about any ship provided my time per mission decreased. An L4 in my Domi takes about 30-45 minutes not counting loot and salvage.

Bleep blop...Bloop..Blip..

Zhilia Mann

Tide Way Out Productions

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#6 - 2012-07-23 21:35:47 UTC | Edited by: Zhilia Mann

Try this:

[Dominix, tanky sentry entry]
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Garde II x5

Cap stable, decent tank, decent gank.

Edit: as for changes to the game, do not overlook the new Drone Damage Augmentors. These things are seriously wonderful for any PvE drone boat and put the NDomi into pirate BS-league as far as damage/projection is concerned.

Liang Nuren

No Salvation

Divine Damnation

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#7 - 2012-07-23 21:43:22 UTC

You know, I'd bet that the Domi is a better mission runner than the Raven with the new drone damage mods. Even in the best case, I think you'd have months and months before cross training a Raven would surpass equivalent time put into your Domi.

And besides, the Raven leads to the CNR, Tengu, and maybe Golem. The Domi leads to the Talos... <3 <3 <3

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Kasutra

No Vacancies

No Vacancies.

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#8 - 2012-07-23 22:41:08 UTC

A Rail + Sentry Domi should wipe the floor with Cruise Ravens when it comes to missioning speeds.
(Unless you have to fly between gates or fly to get into sentry range. Then it's a competition. Oops

)

Anyway.

Quote:

This could be due to my not using Sentries, but if someone could elaborate on that, I'd appreciate it.

Yes, it's because you are not using Sentries.

To apply worthy drone damage in L4s, you're using either Sentries or Heavies. And Heavies are
1) Real damn slow. You're often sending them tens of kilometres out, which takes time. What's worse, it takes them long seconds just to switch targets, and those seconds add up quickly, with the number of rats that's in the average mission.
2) Rather vulnerable, if they manage to get aggro while far away.

Sentries have the damning quality of being immobile, which can be a real deal-breaker in the missions that require long travel, but for the most part, they just do their job (instant, high-tracking, long-range, damage-selectable DPS).

The gap isn't as wide now that Heavies have Drone Damage Augmentors, but Sentries are

Quote:

To be safe when flying my Domi I use the basic PvE load-outs emphasizing on cap stability and armor repair.

Armor Domis work fine (although shield tanking Domis did get indirectly more advantageous with the DDAs), but cap stability is a trap. You don't have the slots to spare for it, because you want two or three Omnilinks for those Sentries you are using. You probably want a cap booster.

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Should I continue to train into Gallente Platforms for L4 Missions, or would it be a better choice in the long run to cross train into the Raven despite having almost none of the necessary skills?

A well-skilled Domi beats out a well-skilled Raven, IMO. A well-skilled Domi definitely beats a not-very-skilled Raven, which is probably the comparison you'd be doing in a few months.

If you want to cross train to get closer to the top end of the mission boats, I suggest Minmatar. Their gunboats are good these days. And they share more support skills with your Dominix than a Raven would.

Ehrghiez

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#9 - 2012-07-23 22:47:57 UTC

I very much appreciate the advice given.

@Zhilia - I don't have the skills for T2 Sentry drones or the T2 Omnidirectional Tracking Link, but their T1 counterparts work fairly well. As far as rigs are concerned, I went with 2 CCC's and a Sentry Damage Augmenter. I am 56% cap stable with the build you mentioned, keeping in mind my 'tweaks' to it =). All the same, you laid out a floor plan I wasn't aware of and my missioning time is much more efficient, so much thanks.

@Liang - I've seen your name around the boards and through my web searching, you seem to be somewhat of a celeb =P

@Kasutra - I have to admit I had a certain disdain towards the Domi, but I am just going to have to claim ignorance. After having put into practice a tweaked build, it clears L4s much faster than my Megathron. Granted my turret skills suck, but all the same, I'll be sticking with my Domi for a bit.

Again, thanks for the replies. Its much appreciated =)

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