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Changes are Coming. High, Low and Null will be Mixing More
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#101 - 2012-07-22 15:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Ms Kat wrote:
I stand by this idea as a player from 2004 its the best thing suggested on these forums in a long time


Republic Military School [RMS] from 2008.01.16 22:24 to this day

Calling you out on this one faceless NPC alt.
Dave stark
#102 - 2012-07-22 18:23:15 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
NULL SEC is boring

End of conversation

you're so wrong it's painful.

null is the most fun area of the game. the people are better, the array of activities are broader, there are no limits to what you can do in null in comparison to high sec.



Um

PvP/Rat/Exploration/Mine/Anomolies/Wh's

Now lets look at empire

PvP/Rat/Exploration/Mine/Anomolies/Wh's

Yah i can see the MASSIVE diffrence between high sec and null sec

Yup, its right there

I can see it, deffo, thats me on the next train to null sec


all of those activities are present but limited. i'll take mining as my first and only example because it's clear you're right and i'm wrong but anyway let me continue...

you can't mine certain minerals in high sec, it's limited. belt ratting in high sec is limited to frig/destroyer rats where as belts in null have battleships etc.
there's more of the good stuff in null but if you're content being a big fish in a small pond, stay in the pond. i'll go enjoy the ocean while you're doggy paddling in circles.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2012-07-22 18:25:22 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Now lets look at empire

PvP

Enjoy your station games.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-07-22 21:38:00 UTC
Majic Pony Love wrote:
we like low sec the way it is. if you don't like it move along.



say the guy that use a alt to commend poor guy scared to show his face
marVLs
#105 - 2012-07-23 20:15:12 UTC
Hmm making low sec attractive? Maybe remove from it caps and supers (only for WH and null) and place there unique ships only for low sec, something like mini carriers and tech3 BS (not subsystem tech3 but transforming on field for one type of role like max dps in cost of HP etc). Don't hate, just loose idea P
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-07-23 20:54:39 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability, (i.e. the ability for players to create security and stability so they can build a "town" (aka civilization)) otherwise it will always be a lawless wasteland. No one is going to bother investing in low-sec if they're just going to get steamrolled by pirates or an alliance. No profit, no low-sec colonization.

And if low-sec ever becomes civilized, then the pirates are just going to start whining about no longer being able to effectively function in low-sec.

Just be done with it and replace low-sec with null-sec.



What exactly is stopping a Alliance or Corp from establishing order in a LS system or constellation now? Is their a mechanic stopping them?

And most of LS is empty FYI. I know what I speak of since I'm in LS quite a bit. There are maybe 10 systems where signifigant PVP, not counting FW, takes place and the other systems are pretty much empty aside from the occasional small scrub gang or lone gunman camping.

99% of the content in this game is player driven. If you don't like your narrative friend, change it. Do something else, join another corp, or build your own. This game is about the friends you fly with, the more freinds you have the more your options open up.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-07-23 21:03:22 UTC
Ms Kat wrote:

Isnt lowsec pretty much dead as it stands?


I would like you to come to amamake and say that to my face good sir. Stop shiptoasting with your faceless alts. Lowsec can be improved, but it is pretty damn awesome for a certain kind of player. I would explain it to you but the things that us lowsec dwellers find entertaining would almost certainly not have the same effect on you and your brood

I has all the eve inactivity
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2012-07-23 21:07:51 UTC
Caghji wrote:


Regards

Caghji




That was an awesome story, you truly are the Count of Moonte Cristo. /tiphat
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#109 - 2012-07-23 21:08:26 UTC
Strike Severasse wrote:
1 Stargate Camping at entry points
Like it or not, choke points prevent high sec types from entering lower sec...CCP needs to fix this, offer paid gates or random gates, something, anything, Fix it and campers get use to it. You will love it in the end and you know it or are to stupid to realize. So you know it right!


Paid gates would get camped. Random gates would gut fleets as they all landed on different outgates.

You want to know how to deal with gate camps? Scout them, go around them, or crash them with a larger fleet.


Strike Severasse wrote:
Give them a possible escape option


There are a LOT of possible escape options out there already. The problem isn't that lowsec is so dangerous, it's that ignorance is far more dangerous. People die going into lowsec because they don't know how to scout, they don't know how to avoid fights they can't win, and they don't know how to even attempt to escape. You want CCP to hand them more tools to compensate for their own incompetence.

No.


Strike Severasse wrote:
if a system is being contested, then rewards should go up for rats, loot, whatever the method.


The reward is for creating and maintaining security. You shouldn't create a reward system designed to reward the least-competent the most. If you're able to lock down a system and prevent anyone from interfering in your operations for days or weeks at a time, SHOULDN'T there be a significant reward?

Strike Severasse wrote:
4 Sec Status
This is the simplest fix, let low standing fight low standing in low sec without a sec hit.

They already can. If you shoot a pirate, you don't lose sec.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ginger Barbarella
#110 - 2012-07-23 21:12:14 UTC
Unless Eve players have the ability to directly affect DUST players (ie, shoot down their transports that bring them in to work on-planet; I'm assuming that DUST will already be able to affect Eve player's PI installations), it's really kinda pointless to discuss the two in the same sentence. No?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#111 - 2012-07-23 21:56:16 UTC
Caghji wrote:

Stuff



This was one of the most interesting and insightful posts I've read in quite some time. +1 cookie to you, sir.
Sarcasim
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#112 - 2012-07-23 22:13:07 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
There is an anti pont module...

It's called a warp core stabiliser Straight

Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?



I am less then 2 weeks old, but if I understand correctly if you have like 5 people pointing you then stabiliser is useless??
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#113 - 2012-07-23 22:16:23 UTC
Sarcasim wrote:
Danfen Fenix wrote:
There is an anti pont module...

It's called a warp core stabiliser Straight

Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?



I am less then 2 weeks old, but if I understand correctly if you have like 5 people pointing you then stabiliser is useless??

Not if you have six warp core stabs.

But realistically a few warp core stabs, some nanos and a mwd+cloak and any ship can run through pretty much any camp unhindered.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#114 - 2012-07-23 22:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Strike Severasse wrote:
...
So the problem is how to make high sec types want to go into low and null sec right?...


Nope, dead wrong, as we learned in UO, drawing PvE players into a PvP zone is not the answer, it is a good way to kill off a game though.

The way to populate a PvP zone is to make the PvP not suck, then the millions of PvPers world wide will sign up.

Right now the game is setup to feed new PvPers as fodder to existing players.

As long as CCP squanders it's new customer base this way long term subs will not increase.




QFT

I have played Guild Wars 2 beta and... there are MILLIONS of people who want to PvP. Just not in EvE, because EvE PvP is only fun for high commanders who find drones to sacrifice in building their own empire.

Yes there are others who PvP in EvE for small scale etc, guess what they are a tiny minority compared to the tens of thousands blobber drones.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#115 - 2012-07-23 22:38:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


Mudflation is laughable. The balance of having rare minerals only in low sec balances the games ecomony alot. I really don't see alot of the problems some claim exist. My first character (Andrasta) opened in June 03, I recall people logging on after DT to sell to NPC corps while prices were still high (to stimulate ecomonic growth the NPCs bought minerals in fixed amounts). I have seen the ecomony of the game durings its entire existence and fail to see these adverse effects of high sec miners.


Caldari ice still hasn't fallen to what it was at the start of the year after my corp killed everyone mining it in high sec for a month


Maybe because the more you kill, the less the supply, and thus the price increases?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#116 - 2012-07-23 22:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
NULL SEC is boring

End of conversation

If you don't have a blob, sit tight n dock till people log on

High Sec

Missions
Mining
Exploration
Wh's

There is nothing i need nor want in null sec

If i need an ISK boost, ill buy 4 plexes and sell them.

EvE is fecked, remove plex, sort low sec out so gate guns and station guns ARE not tankable and more will go to low sec. Stop people camping choke points into null 24/7 n people will go there

You screw your own pvp areas on your own

stop bitching about high sec players when you cannot even show me a single thread were a high sec player has bitched about null sec being more profitable than his high sec

why?

BECAUSE US PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC DONT CARE ABOUT NULL/LOW SEC AT ALL

PvP Players - You whine and ***** worst than a woman on her period

Why do you high sec types assume we are all evil PvP players and pirates? I'm a care bear, tyvm, and I still think you're an idiot.

Those choke points are easy to identify and get past, if you can't be bothered to learn then you dont deserve to be able to make any significant amount of ISK in Eve.


Yes I am going to pack my stuff in my freighters and Orcas and carry it over to 0.0, in nice safety.
I will expecially load my 80B worth of BPOs on a pink ship with a dartboard painted on it.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#117 - 2012-07-23 22:46:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
NULL SEC is boring

End of conversation

If you don't have a blob, sit tight n dock till people log on

High Sec

Missions
Mining
Exploration
Wh's

There is nothing i need nor want in null sec

If i need an ISK boost, ill buy 4 plexes and sell them.

EvE is fecked, remove plex, sort low sec out so gate guns and station guns ARE not tankable and more will go to low sec. Stop people camping choke points into null 24/7 n people will go there

You screw your own pvp areas on your own

stop bitching about high sec players when you cannot even show me a single thread were a high sec player has bitched about null sec being more profitable than his high sec

why?

BECAUSE US PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC DONT CARE ABOUT NULL/LOW SEC AT ALL

PvP Players - You whine and ***** worst than a woman on her period

Why do you high sec types assume we are all evil PvP players and pirates? I'm a care bear, tyvm, and I still think you're an idiot.

Those choke points are easy to identify and get past, if you can't be bothered to learn then you dont deserve to be able to make any significant amount of ISK in Eve.


Yes I am going to pack my stuff in my freighters and Orcas and carry it over to 0.0, in nice safety.
I will expecially load my 80B worth of BPOs on a pink ship with a dartboard painted on it.

If you can't get a few BPOs across Eve you should just uninstall now.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#118 - 2012-07-23 22:46:57 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
As it stands due to local you are already very safe in space in low sec, especially mission running since people have to launch probes to find you and you can see those probes on directional.


Having missioned for a good while both in low and 0.0, I can safely say that having to spam that stupid BAD concept of directional scanner is the top 1 reason to not bother doing PvE in there.

Had it been a radar or something like every single game past 1980 has implemented, then it might be worth and even fun to play the "catch-me-if-you-can" game. But no, it has to be a mash'da-button suck experience.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#119 - 2012-07-23 22:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Simi Kusoni wrote:
If you can't get a few BPOs across Eve you should just uninstall now.


I am not talking of your frigate BPOs, not going to move them in solo. Also, once you are out of hi sec and ofc you have to setup 3-4 POSes you have also the bellyache job of fueling them and the crotch-ache of defending them. Not worth bothering.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#120 - 2012-07-23 22:57:46 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
If you can't get a few BPOs across Eve you should just uninstall now.


I am not talking of your frigate BPOs, not going to move them in solo. Also, once you are out of hi sec and ofc you have to setup 3-4 POSes you have also the bellyache job of fueling them and the crotch-ache of defending them. Not worth bothering.

Get an alt and scout or cyno them in? As much as I hate JF logistics the mechanic is currently available and easy to use.

But yes, null sec industry does need a revamp. So do a lot of things in Eve. This isn't because moving stuff is hard, its simply because null sec industry provides no real benefits.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]