EVE General Discussion

Another fine example of your problem, when confronted with ANY dissent, you pack up and leave rather than stay and fight.

It means your problems are personal and way beyond anything EVe or any game can fix....

I wish i had a spambot that would just spam "IF YOU NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION, YOU DON'T BELONG IN NULL SEC" every time someone spouts this particular piece of non-sense.

The OP does, however, illustrate the fundamental psychological difference between the null sec player (a better term would be the all-sec player, as null players play everywhere buy hi-sec types stick to one part of the game). The Hi-sec player asks "why would I?".. The null sec player ask "why would I not?"

I still think the "high sec only, no "pvp" ever, solo casual carebear type is a misfit in this game (why oh why wouldn't you play Star Trek, it's BUILT for you types), but to each his own I guess, I have no problems with people who choose to enjoy only a small, narrow unrepresentative slice of the game as long as they don't complain about the fact that this game doesn't cater to them

instead of replying with the normal " this is one of those threads again"


So say 70 % of the players is Highsec right now.
Would Low or zero still be fun to you if 80 % of all highsec players suddenly would go to low or zero?

how much would low or Zero change ,if CCP made a game mechanic ,where you have no choice then to go outside highsec after a short while.

would that change low or Zero for the better or the worst?

I came in expecting a decent counter-argument. I saw the opposition being called trolls.

But will this be good for Low or Zero?

Both, because the amount of pilots able to get in and out would bring a whole new level of alliances working together and teamwork based opposition against pirates. It would also open up null/low to newer players simply because of the amount of corps who would head in that direction. More risk vs reward but safer ways in and out.

So it occurred to me that with all these *send more high sec players to low/null sec* may actually be a problem for EvE Online as a whole.

In the 4 years eve players have always said about low being more accessible to new/newish players. But then I Ask you a question. With virtually no penalty for ship killing, any player can potentially pirate for a few days, go back to high sec, run his level 4's and get back to 5.0 sec stat and rinse and repeat.

Killing players in low sec/high sec that are not wt's should instantly reduce a player to -5.0 sec status. This would stop the *random* pirates in low sec and would leave the hardcore group who are pirates because they want to be. Thus, more players would enter low sec because the amount of so called *pirates* wouldn't be there. The sec hit would be to large. Gate guns should not *be there to save you ass* as a recent troll put it, but pirates should NOT be able to sit on gates and stations popping people, if they want to pirate, they should have to use scan probes and track us down, not have it handed to them on a plate.

Now null sec. Please give me one solid reason and I mean SOLID reason why I should leave high sec and come to Null Sec? You make more Money? Okay, but as long as I have 100mil I don't feel I need any more ISK. I like PvP but have yet to find a PvP corp (this is not my only char ofc) that doesn't have a **** head FC who treats you like a piece of shite on the bottom of his shoe. Dead regions, if u stray more than 7 jumps from a hub, no ones about. Its boring.

So why the sudden *we need more players*, is it perhaps you are screwed your null sec so badly that targets really don't exist any more unless you invade a region and force them to fight? We all know the majority of eve's player base is in empire, the question you need to ask yourselves is why? Why are they in empire and not in your little empires?

I think the answer, is one you don't want to look at, massive rents, huge monthly fee's, not to mention corps being kicked if they don't provide massive pvp presence in some alliance, constant CTAS at random hours of the night when people have families and work. FC's who yell at people because they cant control there tempers over a video game? No, u call us *cowards* and *the noobs who hide in high sec* - Maybe, but since no PvP pilot has ever been able to give me a solid reason why I should join a null sec alliance, ill stand by my guns.

Take a good long hard look at your null sec empire. There is nothing in null sec worth us going for.

Null Sec / Low Sec has been screwed up by one group, the PvP pilots who live on EvE Online, you have screwed your own regions up, you have had high sec nerfed so much in attempts to force us out, but guess what, WE ARE STILL HERE. You camp gates, we won't come in, you camp stations, we won't undock. You need to sort yourselves out.

Bottom line is

STOP BLAMING WELL MEANING HIGH SEC PLAYERS FOR YOUR MISTAKES AND SCREW UPS.

How the OP should actually read:


Your ideas were bad and now you're throwing a tantrum because people told you they were bad.

Personally I believe the easiest way to introduce people to Low-Sec and Null-Sec would be to give people the ability to start out as a pirate faction character, i.e. Guristas, Serpentis, etc.

Instead of starting in High-Sec you'd start in Low-Sec/Null-Sec in one of their stations.

That way people can taste > 0.5 and see if its for them, rather than having to travel an alt out there through various gatecamps.

Just my 2 pence. :)

There aren't really that many "i disagree because of x and y" posts here. Its more like "YOU ARE STUPID AND WE DONT WANT YOUR STUPID KIND ANYWAYS!!111ELEVEN!".

So, i kinda understand him.