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Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-07-23 11:16:03 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:

Don't derail my thread goon. Ofc it makes him better than you, you pick a ship, get a fit from your forums and join a fleet and shoot who your told to shoot, flying fleets of ships all the same because your FC ordered u to do so because he controls your game play


Confirming I have never seen a hero megathron or machariel in drakefleet, and those ships which did not appear were certainly not well received nor applauded for being awesome.
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-07-23 11:17:28 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
I make the same amount of money in null as I do in high. The problem with null (at least the region I'm in) is that you spend half the time chasing reds and half the time doing content to earn cash. In high you spend zero time chasing reds and all of your time earning cash, so it's about the same.


Exactly, so tell me why i should waste my time in null sec?
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-07-23 11:18:02 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:

Don't derail my thread goon. Ofc it makes him better than you, you pick a ship, get a fit from your forums and join a fleet and shoot who your told to shoot, flying fleets of ships all the same because your FC ordered u to do so because he controls your game play


Confirming I have never seen a hero megathron or machariel in drakefleet, and those ships which did not appear were certainly not well received nor applauded for being awesome.


Have fun with your pvp, its not my cup of tea in massive blobs, stop trying to force me to join your blobs
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-07-23 11:18:25 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
I make the same amount of money in null as I do in high. The problem with null (at least the region I'm in) is that you spend half the time chasing reds and half the time doing content to earn cash. In high you spend zero time chasing reds and all of your time earning cash, so it's about the same.


Exactly, so tell me why i should waste my time in null sec?


we don't want more risk averse carebears in nullsec who refuse to do anything but rat, so don't worry about it

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#25 - 2012-07-23 11:18:40 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:


Ofc it is, we play how we like with no risk because WE CHOOSE TO, its as simple as that. Your trolling for the sake of trolling.


Why do you act like someone cares?

We don't have any interest in you or your choices. Stop making bad threads and go save the damsel, or clear the Blockade if you're feeling all crazy Bear

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-07-23 11:21:56 UTC
Roime wrote:

I don't live in null

Of course, for the bear, everything outside their cradle is the same.


I did not comment on where you live, but you are right the bear don't care, having fun is more important then living in null, low or hi-sec for that matter.

Play the game the way that works for you, but don't fool yourself into believing your are the new messiah, here to lead the people the promised land.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-07-23 11:29:22 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
"Lowsec is easily accessible by new players, because the penalties for PvP are low, people can try it out and then go back to make money. Let's make the penalties higher, that will make it more accessible."

0/10 not even gonna read the rest


I'm just going to quote this because it pretty much explains how daft your lowsec idea is.

Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Have fun with your pvp, its not my cup of tea in massive blobs, stop trying to force me to join your blobs


I was unaware we were kidnapping the fine citizens of empire space and using them as shock troops and cannon fodder in our 0.0 warfare.

I'm starting to think that YOU think that being ganked in empire is some sort of special outreach program for us to say, "look how much fun we're having, this could be you blowing up people!" It's not, we just blew you up for kicks.

If that doesn't apply, please specifically state how we're trying to drag you kicking and screaming into null blob warfare, cause now I'm really curious.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-07-23 11:33:03 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Don't derail my thread goon. Ofc it makes him better than you, you pick a ship, get a fit from your forums and join a fleet and shoot who your told to shoot, flying fleets of ships all the same because your FC ordered u to do so because he controls your game play

good for you, have fun, play your game

we don't want to do that, so stop trying to force us to


heh you're still enthralled by the ~eve industry is complex~ nonsense

so, so cute

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-07-23 11:39:48 UTC
I can see goons have now decided to hijack the thread and this will descend into troll heaven. I was enjoying this discussion up untill this point. I think i will pass now :)

Enjoy the trolling, the trolling is here because you know

We are right and have valid points
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#30 - 2012-07-23 11:51:54 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
I can see goons have now decided to hijack the thread and this will descend into troll heaven. I was enjoying this discussion up untill this point. I think i will pass now :)

Enjoy the trolling, the trolling is here because you know

We are right and have valid points



No you arent and no you dont. All that stupid pile of monkey crap proposal of yours would do is lock out anyone from crossing the boundaries between high sec and the rest of eve.

Please note I dont really care if more people come to lowsec or not, I'm happy shooting the ones who are already here, but people should always have the option if they so choose. You're also ignoring every lowsec resident who controls something that benefits from highseccers using it, such as the lowsec POCO owners who make most of their money from highseccers doing their PI in lowsec because its more profitable.

Next tiem try actually thinking about what you post rather than spergposting a bunch of crap and looking like an idiot.

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Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-07-23 12:01:40 UTC
As you like to be a highsec player and your longterm goals seem to be having ISK an& shiny ships in your hangar, what are you complaining about? Nobody can force you to lowsec or null. What people want is

- encouraging players to move to null or low (which isn't forcing by any means)
- balancing risk vs. reward

Plus, your statement

Taranius De Consolville wrote:
So it occurred to me that with all these *send more high sec players to low/null sec* may actually be a problem for EvE Online as a whole.


is simply wrong.

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-07-23 12:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Isn't the problem just lack of awareness?

People say that they have fun in hisec and don't want to be a mindless drone because they are a unique and special snowflake. But have they ever even experienced nullsec beyond what that 5 year old npc corp character told them about it?

I always laugh when people say that they don't want to be forced into mandatory CTA's and that the only pvp available in nullsec is blob warfare. They don't realise how full of **** they are.

I mean I can understand the guy who's been there done that and found it wasn't for him. By that guy I mean someone who hasnt just been part of a renter alliance for a month and lost his rag with **** head fc.

Oh what am I doing bringing reason to this thread.
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-07-23 12:09:00 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
I can see goons have now decided to hijack the thread and this will descend into troll heaven. I was enjoying this discussion up untill this point. I think i will pass now :)

Enjoy the trolling, the trolling is here because you know

We are right and have valid points



No you arent and no you dont. All that stupid pile of monkey crap proposal of yours would do is lock out anyone from crossing the boundaries between high sec and the rest of eve.

Please note I dont really care if more people come to lowsec or not, I'm happy shooting the ones who are already here, but people should always have the option if they so choose. You're also ignoring every lowsec resident who controls something that benefits from highseccers using it, such as the lowsec POCO owners who make most of their money from highseccers doing their PI in lowsec because its more profitable.

Next tiem try actually thinking about what you post rather than spergposting a bunch of crap and looking like an idiot.


You foo, can you really not look past your own ISK greed into the ACTUAL point of what i suggested? I dont CARE about ISK, i clearly stated that but as usual an idiot troll thinks he knows better and slams the post before actually considering what it actually signifies.

You are nothing but a child, and how would it stop people crossing? Why should you be able to kill with no punishment? Why should u able to jump thru a gate whilst scrambled? Or dock up? Why is it u can run when you please but the new players cant?

Your little bit of abusive drivel does nothing but prove the point i made in the first place, pvp pilots cant think outside there own box and when i say *ive had enuff of this post* you instantly attack me thinking im not watching the post?

You need to grow up, you are exactly what is wrong with eve
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#34 - 2012-07-23 12:10:59 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
I can see goons have now decided to hijack the thread and this will descend into troll heaven. I was enjoying this discussion up untill this point. I think i will pass now :)

Enjoy the trolling, the trolling is here because you know

We are right and have valid points


Hi sec carebears, ridiculed and laughed at, because they pay to play 1% of the game. They get attached to their internet pixels. While I agree to some of their gripes. I blatently refuse to respect the guy, that thinks losing his pixels, is game over.

At the end of the day, we all play how we want to. I am a Hi Sec miner first and foremost. Yet I do PI in a WH. PVP Lo/Null, Mission, Exploration, hell I have even ganked a bot. I go where I want, when I want. I have fun in this game. If your Idea of fun is to mine 10hrs a day, 7 days a week. Then more power to you.

I am a "live and let live" type of guy, but even I am slowly resenting the Hi Sec player, for what he represents.

I have been WD by griefer corp that uses NR. (smacked them hard)
I have seen Tengu pilots ninja Exploration sites.
I have been witness to hulk ganking.
I have been victim to mining fleet Intimidation
Yes I have been can flipped too.

Hi sec carebearing is all about that Isk/hr ratio. I must do this, I must do that, I cannot do this without doing that mentality. Disrupt their order of things, and they are like a fish out of water.

Nobody can "Force" you into null/lo.That has to be your decision. If you want to stay in Hi you can, but then you have to also accept the generalization of carebearing.

We all laugh at the clowns.


o7
L Salander
All Web Investigations
#35 - 2012-07-23 12:13:45 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
So it occurred to me that with all these *send more high sec players to low/null sec* may actually be a problem for EvE Online as a whole.

In the 4 years eve players have always said about low being more accessible to new/newish players. But then I Ask you a question. With virtually no penalty for ship killing, any player can potentially pirate for a few days, go back to high sec, run his level 4's and get back to 5.0 sec stat and rinse and repeat.

Killing players in low sec/high sec that are not wt's should instantly reduce a player to -5.0 sec status. This would stop the *random* pirates in low sec and would leave the hardcore group who are pirates because they want to be. Thus, more players would enter low sec because the amount of so called *pirates* wouldn't be there. The sec hit would be to large. Gate guns should not *be there to save you ass* as a recent troll put it, but pirates should NOT be able to sit on gates and stations popping people, if they want to pirate, they should have to use scan probes and track us down, not have it handed to them on a plate.

Now null sec. Please give me one solid reason and I mean SOLID reason why I should leave high sec and come to Null Sec? You make more Money? Okay, but as long as I have 100mil I don't feel I need any more ISK. I like PvP but have yet to find a PvP corp (this is not my only char ofc) that doesn't have a **** head FC who treats you like a piece of shite on the bottom of his shoe. Dead regions, if u stray more than 7 jumps from a hub, no ones about. Its boring.

So why the sudden *we need more players*, is it perhaps you are screwed your null sec so badly that targets really don't exist any more unless you invade a region and force them to fight? We all know the majority of eve's player base is in empire, the question you need to ask yourselves is why? Why are they in empire and not in your little empires?

I think the answer, is one you don't want to look at, massive rents, huge monthly fee's, not to mention corps being kicked if they don't provide massive pvp presence in some alliance, constant CTAS at random hours of the night when people have families and work. FC's who yell at people because they cant control there tempers over a video game? No, u call us *cowards* and *the noobs who hide in high sec* - Maybe, but since no PvP pilot has ever been able to give me a solid reason why I should join a null sec alliance, ill stand by my guns.

Take a good long hard look at your null sec empire. There is nothing in null sec worth us going for.

Null Sec / Low Sec has been screwed up by one group, the PvP pilots who live on EvE Online, you have screwed your own regions up, you have had high sec nerfed so much in attempts to force us out, but guess what, WE ARE STILL HERE. You camp gates, we won't come in, you camp stations, we won't undock. You need to sort yourselves out.

Bottom line is

STOP BLAMING WELL MEANING HIGH SEC PLAYERS FOR YOUR MISTAKES AND SCREW UPS.


Calm down there, carebear. My tearbucket can't keep up.

But on the subject of people wanting to pull high sec baddies into low/null... it just won't happen. It doesn't matter how much we nerf their piddly little hisec activities they'll still live there because they don't want to risk their ships getting blown up. I think it's a lost cause even trying. Focus on making hisec a decent area for everyone to do different things in (including pvp - ie improve war decs, bounty hunting, etc) rather than trying to make people leave it.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2012-07-23 12:23:23 UTC
If you don't agree with the OP, you are a troll.

This is the new definition of troll.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#37 - 2012-07-23 12:23:46 UTC
Lol I have just seen the Title change.

Someone disagrees with you, so they are a troll. Tpyical Hi sec "head in the sand" response


o7
Bullz3y3
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-07-23 12:27:23 UTC
Don't forget the total jackasses that comprise the majority of alliance leadership whose idea of leading is to force all members to do things their way. Then the elitist pvpers that don't want you there except to fight, nonstop. I lived there for Years, helped build one of the first outposts in paragon soul but since then its been all downhill.

In short quit dictating how people should play the game. Cause I know if people went to low/null you still wouldn't be happy unless they did exactly what you wanted 23/7.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#39 - 2012-07-23 12:28:17 UTC
I liked the part where the OP doesnt go into null sec or low sec and then he begins to explain how it should be changed. Because ya know, he goes there and.... oh wait he doesnt go there... so how does he know?

CONUNDRUM!
Pix Severus
Empty You
#40 - 2012-07-23 12:30:10 UTC
I don't join nullsec corps because there's no way I'm going to be talked-down to by some obese, jobless waste of air who spends literally all his time playing a computer game.

I do enjoy exploring that region of space though.

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