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FW could do with a mechanic to bust friendly bunkers
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#21 - 2012-07-21 15:02:29 UTC
Liamn wrote:
Whah, whah, whah. Amarr is not playing nice. CCP, make them reset their system . . .
Seriously? You are complaining because your LP farming got slightly reduced?

'Working as intended' would be my answer.


Keep dreaming.
5 of my last 6 kills were minmatar farmers. And I didn't leave Caldari FW space.
Farmers still earning the same.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#22 - 2012-07-22 13:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
how about just removing bunkers and flip system on 24h + next downtime if still vulnerable.

No one want to shoot stationary objects anyway.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#23 - 2012-07-22 18:47:54 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
how about just removing bunkers and flip system on 24h + next downtime if still vulnerable.

No one want to shoot stationary objects anyway.


+1
Rommell Drako
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-07-22 18:59:53 UTC
MOAR MINNI TEARS PLEASE!!!!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#25 - 2012-07-22 22:01:04 UTC
What's the problem? As long as those systems are in Minmatar hands they (Miinmatar) can still reach L5 payouts.
Gullibility Fool
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-07-23 02:44:56 UTC
They have the systems to still get to T5, but by not flipping systems the Amarr are denying them the easiest LP source to actually get there.

Now if only CCP would fix the ridiculous situation where Minmatar FW missions are spawned in their own systems......

When we get to the point that the Minmatar send an Amarr-alt fleet to flip one of these systems and the Amarr send a Minmatar-alt fleet to stop them, will CCP finally see how silly the system is?
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#27 - 2012-07-23 03:15:37 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
how about just removing bunkers and flip system on 24h + next downtime if still vulnerable.

No one want to shoot stationary objects anyway.


Oh yeah. Good idea. I hate structure grinds.

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Amymuffmuff
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#28 - 2012-07-23 09:00:46 UTC
Gullibility Fool wrote:
They have the systems to still get to T5, but by not flipping systems the Amarr are denying them the easiest LP source to actually get there.

Now if only CCP would fix the ridiculous situation where Minmatar FW missions are spawned in their own systems......

When we get to the point that the Minmatar send an Amarr-alt fleet to flip one of these systems and the Amarr send a Minmatar-alt fleet to stop them, will CCP finally see how silly the system is?


lies. the easiest LP source is still missions. the plexes are used mainly by idiots or people who can't fly bombers for LP

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-07-23 11:13:24 UTC
Amymuffmuff wrote:

lies. the easiest LP source is still missions. the plexes are used mainly by idiots or people who can't fly bombers for LP


*cough* Bot accounts *cough*
Pinky Feldman
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#30 - 2012-07-23 11:47:09 UTC
Amymuffmuff wrote:
Gullibility Fool wrote:
They have the systems to still get to T5, but by not flipping systems the Amarr are denying them the easiest LP source to actually get there.

Now if only CCP would fix the ridiculous situation where Minmatar FW missions are spawned in their own systems......

When we get to the point that the Minmatar send an Amarr-alt fleet to flip one of these systems and the Amarr send a Minmatar-alt fleet to stop them, will CCP finally see how silly the system is?


lies. the easiest LP source is still missions. the plexes are used mainly by idiots or people who can't fly bombers for LP


Plexes are done by people who want to literally pay no attention to what they're doing while they play another game or play on their main. I friend of mine managed to make 3.5b LP(yes I know not a lot compared to some prolific plexers) over the course of 4 days while playing tanks on his other monitor. He'd take losses occasionally, but in the end when you're losing vigils or incursus that cost less than 5m...its not really that big of a deal. In fact the time spent getting and fitting a new ship probably costs you more than the ship itself.

The moar you cry the less you pee
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#31 - 2012-07-23 12:56:29 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Amymuffmuff wrote:
Gullibility Fool wrote:
They have the systems to still get to T5, but by not flipping systems the Amarr are denying them the easiest LP source to actually get there.

Now if only CCP would fix the ridiculous situation where Minmatar FW missions are spawned in their own systems......

When we get to the point that the Minmatar send an Amarr-alt fleet to flip one of these systems and the Amarr send a Minmatar-alt fleet to stop them, will CCP finally see how silly the system is?


lies. the easiest LP source is still missions. the plexes are used mainly by idiots or people who can't fly bombers for LP


Plexes are done by people who want to literally pay no attention to what they're doing while they play another game or play on their main. I friend of mine managed to make 3.5b LP(yes I know not a lot compared to some prolific plexers) over the course of 4 days while playing tanks on his other monitor. He'd take losses occasionally, but in the end when you're losing vigils or incursus that cost less than 5m...its not really that big of a deal. In fact the time spent getting and fitting a new ship probably costs you more than the ship itself.


Doubt he made 3.5bn..assuming you mean 3.5m that's still like 80 hours of plexing, to achieve that in 4 days is fairly impressive to say the least.

Just doing the maths assuming you are a perfect plexer you could make about 45k LP per hour. (ignoring LP sharing, plex availability and harassment)

Mission running starts out at about 100k LP per hour, and caps at about 200k LP per bomber
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-07-23 14:04:02 UTC
Cearain wrote:

You guys should really start actually fighting in the plexes instead of just whining to ccp to change the rules after your systems become vulnerable.



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Cearain - can you see any irony in this statement?

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#33 - 2012-07-23 15:19:15 UTC
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:
Cearain wrote:

You guys should really start actually fighting in the plexes instead of just whining to ccp to change the rules after your systems become vulnerable.



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Cearain - can you see any irony in this statement?

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For a while, after inferno I was getting about 4-7 fights every two hours by jumping into a plexes in a busy minmatar systems.

Now it is not unusual to go about an hour and a half in dal auga kourm and huola without anyone coming in any plexes to fight.

At this point I really don't care who is winning. The inferno changes forced me to adapt by making sure I have characters that can run missions for whatever side is winning. Plus winning currently is just a matter of who can get the most alts running plexes in empty systems. Its nothing to be proud of.

The current rule of no lp for defensive plexing and allowing a system to remain vulnerable punishes the defenders for not defending the system in pvp. It is one good thing about the current system. And changing it is just keeping faction war a pve activity.

The rule changes I am after lead to more pvp in plexes, not more farming of plexes when no enemies are in system. If ccp makes plexing a pvp game, then winning can be something to be proud of. It will also make plexing allot more fun.





Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-07-23 15:20:39 UTC
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:

Cearain - can you see any irony in this statement?




Don't know about him but nope I can't see any irony at all...................

You guys should defend those vulnerable systems, get out there and start defensive plexing naow!!!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#35 - 2012-07-23 15:29:41 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Amymuffmuff wrote:
Gullibility Fool wrote:
They have the systems to still get to T5, but by not flipping systems the Amarr are denying them the easiest LP source to actually get there.

Now if only CCP would fix the ridiculous situation where Minmatar FW missions are spawned in their own systems......

When we get to the point that the Minmatar send an Amarr-alt fleet to flip one of these systems and the Amarr send a Minmatar-alt fleet to stop them, will CCP finally see how silly the system is?


lies. the easiest LP source is still missions. the plexes are used mainly by idiots or people who can't fly bombers for LP


Plexes are done by people who want to literally pay no attention to what they're doing while they play another game or play on their main. I friend of mine managed to make 3.5b LP(yes I know not a lot compared to some prolific plexers) over the course of 4 days while playing tanks on his other monitor. He'd take losses occasionally, but in the end when you're losing vigils or incursus that cost less than 5m...its not really that big of a deal. In fact the time spent getting and fitting a new ship probably costs you more than the ship itself.


Doubt he made 3.5bn..assuming you mean 3.5m that's still like 80 hours of plexing, to achieve that in 4 days is fairly impressive to say the least.

Just doing the maths assuming you are a perfect plexer you could make about 45k LP per hour. (ignoring LP sharing, plex availability and harassment)

Mission running starts out at about 100k LP per hour, and caps at about 200k LP per bomber



I think you can get about 90k lp per hour running the major plexes. From what i am reading if your character has high enough standings with the faction the rats won't even attack you. So just fit stabs and shields.

But yeah he must mean 3.5 million lp. And even that is more computer gaming than is healthy.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#36 - 2012-07-23 15:58:03 UTC
If you had 3.5 billion LP you could literally crash the market on every Minmitar-LP item everywhere in New Eden.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#37 - 2012-07-23 16:33:29 UTC
Amymuffmuff wrote:
lies. the easiest LP source is still missions. the plexes are used mainly by idiots or people who can't fly bombers for LP
+1. If the other side is not going to bust the bunker, then it's more efficient to run missions and upgrade.

On another note, the LP payout for bunker busting should be much, much greater than it currently is.
Pinky Feldman
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#38 - 2012-07-23 21:44:19 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Amymuffmuff wrote:
Gullibility Fool wrote:
They have the systems to still get to T5, but by not flipping systems the Amarr are denying them the easiest LP source to actually get there.

Now if only CCP would fix the ridiculous situation where Minmatar FW missions are spawned in their own systems......

When we get to the point that the Minmatar send an Amarr-alt fleet to flip one of these systems and the Amarr send a Minmatar-alt fleet to stop them, will CCP finally see how silly the system is?


lies. the easiest LP source is still missions. the plexes are used mainly by idiots or people who can't fly bombers for LP


Plexes are done by people who want to literally pay no attention to what they're doing while they play another game or play on their main. I friend of mine managed to make 3.5b LP(yes I know not a lot compared to some prolific plexers) over the course of 4 days while playing tanks on his other monitor. He'd take losses occasionally, but in the end when you're losing vigils or incursus that cost less than 5m...its not really that big of a deal. In fact the time spent getting and fitting a new ship probably costs you more than the ship itself.


Doubt he made 3.5bn..assuming you mean 3.5m that's still like 80 hours of plexing, to achieve that in 4 days is fairly impressive to say the least.

Just doing the maths assuming you are a perfect plexer you could make about 45k LP per hour. (ignoring LP sharing, plex availability and harassment)

Mission running starts out at about 100k LP per hour, and caps at about 200k LP per bomber


Yeah meant million not billion. And plexing caps out like Cearin said around 80-90k LP/hr if you're doing majors depending on the tier level.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#39 - 2012-07-24 07:27:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
I think there is no point to think how to improve FW.

Goon commentator in alliance tournament was happy about current FW so no change coming for it.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#40 - 2012-07-24 15:38:48 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
I think there is no point to think how to improve FW. Goon commentator in alliance tournament was happy about current FW so no change coming for it.
I am beginning to think they set up current FW to be a way for 0.0 alliances to earn tons of isk so they can "get back into the game". They think the potential rewards of pushing a given faction to L5 are enough to entice wayward 0.0 alliances to restock their war chests and then go off and conquer null sec again. It's the only thing that makes sense.


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