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Suicide Ganking and it's effect in EVE (my opinion)

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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#21 - 2012-07-22 06:52:03 UTC
Korgan Medel wrote:
If anyone continues to mail you change your CSPA charge to 1mil for a while, he will soon give up while you get richer Big smile



erm, you don't get any isk of the CSPA charge Roll
Pipa Porto
#22 - 2012-07-22 07:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Emma Royd wrote:
Korgan Medel wrote:
If anyone continues to mail you change your CSPA charge to 1mil for a while, he will soon give up while you get richer Big smile



erm, you don't get any isk of the CSPA charge Roll


Well, every Isk removed from the game increases the value of every Isk still in the game, so taking deflation into account (and for very small values of "richer"), you will get marginally richer. Twisted

But you're right and Korgan doesn't know how the CSPA system works.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Korgan Medel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-07-22 07:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Korgan Medel
My bad I presumed you received it. Either way it will have the desired result, He will stop pestering you.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-07-22 07:18:01 UTC
Korgan Medel wrote:
My bad I presumed you received it. Either way it will have the desired result, He will stop pestering you.

If you received it, then "convo me for details" would become the most common recruitment scam ever.
Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-07-22 18:35:04 UTC
Funny, I never claimed to be rich. I did say some friends were interested in a large scale mining op and yes I will admit I reacted angrily at first to the senseless loss of my 190mil ship. Every email I sent in return to the "inspector" asked him to not contact me again and yet he persisted. And on a side note, a few of my friends stayed out there mining with an orca and hulk so I decided to give them a little coverage. When an "inspector" showed up and realized someone there would shoot back he promptly left. Too much like a real fight I guess, I don't know. Anyways, suicide ganking in and of itself isn't the problem here. There is another guy James 315 who does it in Caldari Space and only in one spot. His reasoning is seeing ice fields littered with cans and constantly full of AFK people. I actually agree with his methods and techniques. He will not touch low sec miners but the MHEA will.

Bottom line, when faced with an actualy defense MHEA will run. They harrass miners, not to eliminate bots (like my friend James), but to simply cause grief. From reading other posts however, if they are attacked without warning they shed the biggest tears of them all.

Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-07-22 18:36:41 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
I am going to move to null sec with a credible corp and alliance and continue to mine, but not the boring highsec mining any more.
Mining ain't boring in null sec?



Mining high sec is EXTREMELY boring. I hated doing it but kept at it to do my duties in the corp. I am also moving to null with a reputable corp/alliance.
Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-07-22 18:38:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Meinerman
Exa Byte wrote:
Hello there. I'm the CEO of the Molden Heath Environmental Authority, and it appears that you have a complaint about one of our authorized inspectors. How unfortunate. I will followup to find out what happened.


I do have one question for you:

Were you mining in Molden Heath without a license, despite clearly posted warnings?






Mine the environmentally friendly way - get a license and do your part.





You sir, have no authority to issue a license or restrict mining anywhere in New Eden. I, however, am a realist and know derived authority comes from a weapon (barge vs anything barge loses). And I never saw a so called warning or even knew your sad entitiy existed.
Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-07-22 18:42:02 UTC
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
What a load of crap.. role playing the fact you gank some new player who is just trying to learn and enjoy Eve. gah makes me wanna puke. Well, OP stand your ground, I'll send you cash for ship replacement and show you where to mine if that's what you want to do. I'll even bring a repper and we can watch the gank go splat while sipping an appropriate beverage.

- Majiir



Thanks my friend. They managed to deal a lethal blow to the Corp I am in, which has prompted our move to null sec (which is a good thing). At least there PvPers actually want a fight..not a free killmail
Sorceror Majiir
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-07-22 19:17:10 UTC

Astro:

"the gankers will either kill the ship in one shot (nothing to rep then) or will kill it between rep cycles."

As I told Corina, I haven't repped a hulk gank, however read earlier it took a guy 7 volleys. In fact, I was surprised it was even possible since I rarely mine HS. In fact first time in years I mined HS in a Hulk was a few weeks back. Got tired of it pretty fast though, but was curious with the current price of trit, if it was economically feasible. Was using that as a reference.

However, that doesn't have a thing to do with the main points of my argument against HS ganks.

"It helps to have a semi-decent (or at least pre exsisting) posting history/combat log to show that you have played the game for a while"

I don't give out free intel. And in this forum, main posting is not required.


- Majiir


Pipa Porto
#30 - 2012-07-22 19:22:24 UTC
Meinerman wrote:

You sir, have no authority to issue a license or restrict mining anywhere in New Eden. I, however, am a realist and know derived authority comes from a weapon (barge vs anything barge loses). And I never saw a so called warning or even knew your sad entitiy existed.


Tank your Hulk and you probably won't get ganked (as it would be unprofitable to do so).

Mine aligned and you can't get ganked if you're paying attention (spider web it, and being aligned is thuper easy).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-07-22 19:57:29 UTC
tanking a barge or exhumer is not really feasible but I do agree about mining aligned and that was a mistake I made
Pipa Porto
#32 - 2012-07-22 21:01:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Meinerman wrote:
tanking a barge or exhumer is not really feasible but I do agree about mining aligned and that was a mistake I made


Armor up a Covetor and you'll be pretty safe in the higher bands with 15k EHP vs Void. At the very least, it won't be cost effective to gank you.

A Hulk is easier to tank, and runs around 30k EHP.

[Covetor, Tank]

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-07-22 21:20:21 UTC
point taken but most people wont do it I however will
Pipa Porto
#34 - 2012-07-22 21:25:12 UTC
Meinerman wrote:
point taken but most people wont do it I however will


That's entirely their fault. I will mention that alignment is safer (though it takes effort if you don't have a webber) than tanking (especially in a Covetor). Though if you want to troll gankers, get a Legion to boost your Covetor. You'll get around 25k EHP from that fit, which is not exactly a reasonably expected tank for a Covetor.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Mane Frehm
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#35 - 2012-07-22 21:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mane Frehm
Meinerman wrote:
Funny, I never claimed to be rich. I did say some friends were interested in a large scale mining op and yes I will admit I reacted angrily at first to the senseless loss of my 190mil ship. Every email I sent in return to the "inspector" asked him to not contact me again and yet he persisted. And on a side note, a few of my friends stayed out there mining with an orca and hulk so I decided to give them a little coverage. When an "inspector" showed up and realized someone there would shoot back he promptly left. Too much like a real fight I guess, I don't know. Anyways, suicide ganking in and of itself isn't the problem here. There is another guy James 315 who does it in Caldari Space and only in one spot. His reasoning is seeing ice fields littered with cans and constantly full of AFK people. I actually agree with his methods and techniques. He will not touch low sec miners but the MHEA will.

Bottom line, when faced with an actualy defense MHEA will run. They harrass miners, not to eliminate bots (like my friend James), but to simply cause grief. From reading other posts however, if they are attacked without warning they shed the biggest tears of them all.



Good afternoon. Mining Inspector #14 here again.

The OP does appear to be suffering from short term memory loss, but sadly the rules of C&P do not allow me to post your mails or the delightfully profane chat log. Let me correct some errors:

1. You did say via EVE Mail that you could afford more Mackinaws, clearly implying that the loss meant nothing to you. As a Mining Inspector, I know that the loss of an exhumer is a sad moment for any miner, and I can understand your bitterness. You really should have obtained a license before putting that poor ship at risk.

2. You sent me a total of 7 EVE mails, several laden with profanity (your mother must be very proud). The first 2 mails were in response to our standard followup EMAIL providing license information, and when I responded with 1 mail you again sent me 2. You did not request that I cease to contact you until your 5th mail, at which point I responded asking you to cease contacting me as well. You somehow managed to send me another 2 mails claiming harassment.

3. Mining Inspection has nothing to do with fighting. There is no defence against mining inspectors, which we state clearly in our standard followup mail. We are performing a valuable service on behalf of all of the inhabitants of Molden Heath, which you clearly have failed to appreciate. Again I urge you to take advantage of our training programs to correct this deficiency in your knowledge.

4. If its fighting you want, that's a different conversation. Come visit us in Hegfunden and we can have a chat.


Have a GREAT day.

Mane Frehm
Mining Inspector #14
Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-07-22 23:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Meinerman
I did use profanity and I have 8 total emails from you including iniating unwanted contact. I freely admit I was angry and did say I would come back with support which is still true. you and your mhea are sad misguided people and that is ok..to each their own. you like to shoot defenseless ships and to publicly say you don't is even less honorable than the act itself and shows that you have no taste for any actual challenge. I will no longer reply to your asinine comments in this forum. good day sir
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-07-23 03:43:28 UTC
Sorceror Majiir wrote:

Astro:

"the gankers will either kill the ship in one shot (nothing to rep then) or will kill it between rep cycles."

As I told Corina, I haven't repped a hulk gank, however read earlier it took a guy 7 volleys. In fact, I was surprised it was even possible since I rarely mine HS. In fact first time in years I mined HS in a Hulk was a few weeks back. Got tired of it pretty fast though, but was curious with the current price of trit, if it was economically feasible. Was using that as a reference.

However, that doesn't have a thing to do with the main points of my argument against HS ganks.

"It helps to have a semi-decent (or at least pre exsisting) posting history/combat log to show that you have played the game for a while"

I don't give out free intel. And in this forum, main posting is not required.


- Majiir



Your inability to opperate the quote feature indicates you are new to the internet as a whole. Also post with your main.
Kali Omega
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#38 - 2012-07-24 05:21:38 UTC
As funny as i find this Mane Frehm your being a tool.....funny but a tool. Being a ganker my self i enjoy blowing up hulks and any other little thing i can get my paws on. But i don't feel the need t add insult to the matter by saying that they require a license to mine there....just blow them and go find the next target.
Pipa Porto
#39 - 2012-07-24 05:54:27 UTC
Kali Omega wrote:
As funny as i find this Mane Frehm your being a tool.....funny but a tool. Being a ganker my self i enjoy blowing up hulks and any other little thing i can get my paws on. But i don't feel the need t add insult to the matter by saying that they require a license to mine there....just blow them and go find the next target.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

Gank them and extort them. Up to you whether to actually avoid ganking those who pay. Pirate

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Kali Omega
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#40 - 2012-07-24 06:04:03 UTC
I dont ask anyone to pay me to not gank them....i just get bored look for a target and bam dead hulk.
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