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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-07-22 18:50:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
5% damage.
-5%(!) RoF.

So wut, the net DPS gain is 0%...?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-07-22 18:53:34 UTC
Negative ROF means faster.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-07-22 18:55:57 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
Negative ROF means faster.


I could list countless ships which state a positive RoF bonus, but only Vengeance comes to mind with a negative RoF bonus.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-22 18:57:03 UTC
60 second rate of fire means one shot per 60 seconds.

25% of 60 seconds is 15 seconds.

60 seconds - 25% = 45 second rate of fire = one shot per 45 seconds.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-07-22 19:00:08 UTC
Shereza wrote:
60 second rate of fire means one shot per 60 seconds.

25% of 60 seconds is 15 seconds.

60 seconds - 25% = 45 second rate of fire = one shot per 45 seconds.


Malestrom:

5% RoF per level.

Tempest:

5% RoF per level.


By the Vengeance logic, they would fire slower.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2012-07-22 19:27:07 UTC
Bonus phrasing is screwed up but applies as intended. More news at 11.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#7 - 2012-07-22 20:40:33 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Bonus phrasing is screwed up but applies as intended. More news at 11.


This. It's a known issue that descriptions don't always make sense. However, they're working as intended, so all is good.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-07-22 20:48:49 UTC
The total dps increase is +66% for the two bonuses at max level.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-22 22:38:39 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Shereza wrote:
60 second rate of fire means one shot per 60 seconds.

25% of 60 seconds is 15 seconds.

60 seconds - 25% = 45 second rate of fire = one shot per 45 seconds.


Malestrom:

5% RoF per level.

Tempest:

5% RoF per level.


By the Vengeance logic, they would fire slower.


Given that logic would dictate that due to the lack of explicit mention of a penalty, as per the mackinaw's role bonus, that regardless of whether it's 5% or -5% a given "bonus' to weapon rate of fire indicates a reduced cycle time based on ship handling skill your point is irrelevant.

Just treat it like the Christian Bible. Interpret the words however you need to to make them match reallity. /shrugs.
Marcus Gideon
Triglavian Assembly
#10 - 2012-07-23 05:33:35 UTC
Shereza wrote:
Given that logic would dictate that due to the lack of explicit mention of a penalty, as per the mackinaw's role bonus, that regardless of whether it's 5% or -5% a given "bonus' to weapon rate of fire indicates a reduced cycle time based on ship handling skill your point is irrelevant.

Just treat it like the Christian Bible. Interpret the words however you need to to make them match reallity. /shrugs.

This has been a huge issue for me, ever since I started playing years ago.

These people really need to hire someone actually proficient at the english language, to write their descriptions.

I don't care if the server math understands "RoF bonus -5%" or not.

They need to express values in something players can understand at a glance.

"Will this be good or bad for me?"

They need to use "bonus" and positive numbers for good things, and "penalty" or negative numbers for bad things.

Take a look at the new CPU rigs. Then compare to a Purger rig. They both read as though they'd make the shields faster, but the CPU is worse for your tank.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2012-07-23 06:21:34 UTC
Marcus Gideon wrote:
This has been a huge issue for me, ever since I started playing years ago.

These people really need to hire someone actually proficient at the english language, to write their descriptions.


Like someone, who knows when to insert commas?

Jesting aside, it would be nice if the descriptions were internally consistent. All the descriptions make sense taken alone but they're a bit of a mess when compared against one another. They have made improvements over the years but it still isn't right.