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Changes are Coming. High, Low and Null will be Mixing More

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2012-07-22 07:57:37 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Yes, because if we don't all think like a goon we must need fixing...another reason to avoid the null and low sec group, you lose your sense of individuality and become part of the collective. Drone on.


oh no not my space individuality

next argument


Yawn why bother, talking with a goon is like talking to a dog, both just yap at you and say nothing.


what i'm saying is that you should stop masking your risk aversion with dumb crap like "my individuality" and "i'm a casual player" because you feel entitled to nullsec levels of income with hisec convenience and safety

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#62 - 2012-07-22 08:05:33 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Yes, because if we don't all think like a goon we must need fixing...another reason to avoid the null and low sec group, you lose your sense of individuality and become part of the collective. Drone on.


oh no not my space individuality

next argument


Yawn why bother, talking with a goon is like talking to a dog, both just yap at you and say nothing.


what i'm saying is that you should stop masking your risk aversion with dumb crap like "my individuality" and "i'm a casual player" because you feel entitled to nullsec levels of income with hisec convenience and safety


No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.
Strike Severasse
#63 - 2012-07-22 08:51:32 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Strike Severasse wrote:
CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work.
EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

These are facts, plain and simple.

Opinions, plain and simple.




Opinions? Of course fool, I'm not a dev or gm....
Anything useful now? I'm thinking.......hmmm. NOT Shocked

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Damsa Desirah
The Tourniquet Group
#64 - 2012-07-22 08:59:20 UTC
Cloud' Strife wrote:

I'm a highsec carebear.

I stay and play in high sec, i don't pvp, WHY?

Because pvp is all about numbers. its too 1 sided.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, I'm dead, GAME OVER. plain and simple.

It dosn't matter how much sp i have, it dosen't matter what ship i fly or how it is fitted, it dosen't matter how experienced or good i am at playing the game.

There is no hope or chance for me to fight my way out and escape or even take 1 or more of my attackers down with me.

most likely i will be pointed and dampened and dead within seconds before i can even target an attacking ship.

That is not fun, that is a gang of bullies beating up on someone they know damn well cannot fight back.

For me the risk Far outweighs any potential reward.

The ships in eve are made of paper, they die far too quickly and far too easerly. there is no epic battle, its primary target, click f1 to f8 sit back and watch target die in under 30 seconds.

Now i've played in low and null sec, i've been part pf a major alliance thats owned territory, i've been in CTA battles which involved flying 20 jumps into enemy teritory and then getting popped in seconds by 20+ enemy ships calling primery on me,

sitting back and thinking now that was fun !!!NOT!!!.

Now if you wanna get me back into low / null sec you need to give me a fighting chance. ships need to get segnificantly stronger.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, i wanna be able to put up a fight that will last several minutes. i wanna be able to shoot back and maybe take 1 or 2 smaller/weaker ships down with me.

A fight i can get my teeth into and not be over in under 30 sec.

Give me a fighting chance and rewards worth the risk and i will return to low / null sec.

Until then, I'll stick high sec and the industrial side of the game.


This is why you learn. Lowsec is a different monster then hisec, you need to be paying attention to you Map Statistics tab more so then any where else because camps are so prevalent. If you don't feel like relying on ships destroyed in the last hour, **** man, get into something that can use a covert ops cloak.

I have made more ISK by creating my own trade hub within my Lowsec Home system and for some reason the lazy people would rather pay about a 6% markup then travel 6+ jumps to Rens/Hek/Dodixie. EVE is about exploitation of -every- thing. If you put limits on your imagination and refuse to have "bad" business habits... Then stay and let me make more ISK.

It's not what your Alliance can do for you... It's what you can do to them before they realize you really work for the almighty WormHole God, BoB...

Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-07-22 09:03:04 UTC
Why should i go to null? whats the point? nothing worth going there for i cant do in empire

so yah null - waste of time

Dust will fail like ccp does :)

Simples tbfh
Wolverine Bei Fong
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-07-22 09:03:50 UTC
Just make all of Empire Null Sec and everyone wins Big smile
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-07-22 09:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Bunnie Hop wrote:
No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.


Nobody in hisec is as organized as Goonswarm either.

The entire basis of your argument is "i'm scared of the big bad blobs and the big bad piwates on the gates in lowsec"

You keep bouncing between that and "i don't want to serve DA MAN i want to be a ~free spirit~ why should i have to cooperate with other players for an advantage when NPCs fight all of my battles"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#68 - 2012-07-22 09:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Bunnie Hop
Edited out because I honestly just don't care enough anymore.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-07-22 10:35:35 UTC
Strike Severasse wrote:
EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

I imagine others already said this, but I haven't really bothered to read the thread.

In short: NOPE. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2012-07-22 10:39:52 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:


No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.


Fairly clear you haven't been out of the bubblewrap of high sec much.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-07-22 10:46:10 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Edited out because I honestly just don't care enough anymore.

I think you do care. The problem is you don't even believe any of the crap you're spewing about individuality and such. It's obvious you've never even tried nullsec life and have no idea what it's about at all.

You can join us, we'll take you in. I promise, it's fun. If you still don't like it, you can leave.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#72 - 2012-07-22 10:58:17 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.


Nobody in hisec is as organized as Goonswarm either.

The entire basis of your argument is "i'm scared of the big bad blobs and the big bad piwates on the gates in lowsec"

You keep bouncing between that and "i don't want to serve DA MAN i want to be a ~free spirit~ why should i have to cooperate with other players for an advantage when NPCs fight all of my battles"

What I really don't understand is all these bears saying "zomg low sec is blow vs. blob action".

They honestly seem to believe solo players or small corps can't operate there, but they've never actually tried. I mean I have three characters in this corp (all of them are me), and I've been care bearing in low sec and null sec for years.

It's amazing how people can sit there and claim that low sec is impossible to play in with a straight face, when they're saying it to people that play there.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#73 - 2012-07-22 11:08:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.


Fairly clear you haven't been out of the bubblewrap of high sec much.


Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#74 - 2012-07-22 11:15:30 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.


Fairly clear you haven't been out of the bubblewrap of high sec much.


Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.

Because in a game based around conflict and fighting for limited resources, having unlimited resources and not having to fight for them kind of defeats the point.

Also having stupidly cheap ships, meaningless losses, mudflation etc. generally all contributes to the feeling that Eve is going the way of theme park MMOs. With segregated PvE and PvP, and no consequences for your actions or inaction.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#75 - 2012-07-22 11:16:55 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:


Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.


Might have something to do with all of the whines from these high sec players about how life is so unfair ect. Also all of the experts on 0.0 and low sec who have never been there...
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#76 - 2012-07-22 11:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: DrSmegma
DUST? Isn't that that vaporware marketing rubbish? At least it stays true to its name.

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#77 - 2012-07-22 11:20:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.


Might have something to do with all of the whines from these high sec players about how life is so unfair ect. Also all of the experts on 0.0 and low sec who have never been there...


Some whine yes, but most of the forum whines is from the low sec community wishing to end the high sec community.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-07-22 11:21:49 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.


Might have something to do with all of the whines from these high sec players about how life is so unfair ect. Also all of the experts on 0.0 and low sec who have never been there...


Some whine yes, but most of the forum whines is from the low sec community wishing to end the high sec community.

I've never seen such a thread.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#79 - 2012-07-22 11:23:36 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:


No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.


Fairly clear you haven't been out of the bubblewrap of high sec much.


Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.

Because in a game based around conflict and fighting for limited resources, having unlimited resources and not having to fight for them kind of defeats the point.

Also having stupidly cheap ships, meaningless losses, mudflation etc. generally all contributes to the feeling that Eve is going the way of theme park MMOs. With segregated PvE and PvP, and no consequences for your actions or inaction.


Mudflation is laughable. The balance of having rare minerals only in low sec balances the games ecomony alot. I really don't see alot of the problems some claim exist. My first character (Andrasta) opened in June 03, I recall people logging on after DT to sell to NPC corps while prices were still high (to stimulate ecomonic growth the NPCs bought minerals in fixed amounts). I have seen the ecomony of the game durings its entire existence and fail to see these adverse effects of high sec miners.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2012-07-22 11:40:41 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:


Mudflation is laughable. The balance of having rare minerals only in low sec balances the games ecomony alot. I really don't see alot of the problems some claim exist. My first character (Andrasta) opened in June 03, I recall people logging on after DT to sell to NPC corps while prices were still high (to stimulate ecomonic growth the NPCs bought minerals in fixed amounts). I have seen the ecomony of the game durings its entire existence and fail to see these adverse effects of high sec miners.


Caldari ice still hasn't fallen to what it was at the start of the year after my corp killed everyone mining it in high sec for a month