EVE General Discussion

Facts are, hi sec is an echo chamber where people who have never been to, or have had limited experience in, low/null talk about how dangerous low and null is. And because these ideas are never balanced with realistic feedback, this fear of the unknown festers and evolves into an insurmountable obstacle.

The trap is thinking that with just a slightly better ship or just a few more skillpoints that this obstacle will go away, but the massive amount of FUD spread by hi seccers creates a moving goalpost. No matter how far you advance, you can always find a further goal.

And then, because the hi seccers are moving their goalpost, they demand CCP put a hard limit on the risk for them. They demand changes that are designed to remove any sort of risk of moving to lo or null because, in their minds, they believe that even attempting to go to those places currently is a death sentence. This is where the more bizarre ideas for small holdings and making solo more viable come from.

Many of the denizens of the tar pit will blame others for their own failings. They will blame others for finding teams and working together. They will say that there's too much politics and that null sec attracts too many narcissists. They will claim that CCP has intentionally designed the game to feed the lo/null "1%" with 99% cannon fodder. They will even say that CCP should remove the benefits of flying with a team to make it easier for them.

This only transfers their own insecurities about lo sec onto others.

Avoiding the Tar Pit

• EVE Lifts Those Who Lift Each Other - Get a buddy, in fact get as many buddies as you can. This is not a game that rewards flying solo, so don't try to play it like that. This is not a game for people who don't want to work together. This game rewards cooperation and teamwork over phat l3wtz.
• Knowledge is Power - Instead of sitting in hi sec in ignorance, try learning some of the game mechanics that the pirates intend to use against you. If you honestly believe that jumping into a gate camp is an automatic death sentence, then you are doing it wrong. You can empower yourself by learning the traps they expect you to fall for and avoiding them.
• Don't Commit All At Once - You don't need to move your noctis and golem to lo sec to get into lo sec. You should start small, with cruisers and stuff. And try to get a team when you do commit. Once you get the feel of your region you can start bringing in the bigger stuff. Actually, you will find that for most PVP the bigger stuff isn't even that great!
• Don't Demand Changes to Ecosystems You Don't Understand - If you are willing to admit you've never lived in lo/null, don't suggest changes to those systems! This will only serve to make you look like a fool to those who actually do live in those places and are not stuck in the hi sec tar pit trap.

Remember above all that the first step to lifting yourself is to lift each other.

Exactly

Hisec is what it is, if you get rid of it, you end EVE.

The sandbox is for everyone, and whatever playstyle the people want.

Far more subscriptions are highsec. So deal with it.

I'm a social player, but I do have an independent streak as well. I feel that given the options, High Sec is just fine for me. Yes, I have tried Null Sec, and I can honestly tell you that it is exactly what the players have made it, and they rightly deserve it. I want no part of it. Seems the only reason they come into High Sec is because of their blue balls from not finding targets because they have run them all away with their politics. Last I tried to move out there, I was told what to do, where to do it, how long I had to dedicate to doing it, and when to set the alarm clock to make the mandatory CTA's, all while having to pay out heavy rent and taxes just for the privalege.

I'm a paying player, not some basement dwellers online slave, or a meat bot. I play EvE to socialize, hang out, and do the many different activities that I find enjoyable. If you really, really, honestly want more people to come into Null sec, you first need to make some major changes to your Alliance rules. First big change is dropping NBSI policy and going with NRDS. Let smaller corps "squat" in your unused systems instead of charging unreasonably high rents. etc...

Who knows, it might just get interesting again.

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Right at this moment you've lost introvert half of EVE population.

Thread is unlocked. Continue on.

The OP may be correct on some points, but a lot of people who go to low and null also come back and say that it stinks.

A lot of people try to go beyond without that fealty towards corporations or those already out there and whatever organization they have, then die in a camp.

They come back realizing it's not profitable.


There are two obstacles that make high sec what it is:


Gate mechanics that favor a playstyle of "sit there and kill everything that moves for no reason".

Time - a lot of people don't have time to be social in a game, either because they are so busy they hardly have time in RL or they have a lot of it in RL but in either case less for it in a game.

"headset wearing rent slave"

you really can't make this **** up

Clearly they can. Where else would they get their hilarious misconceptions about Sov Null?

I lived in low and null longer than in high during the last 7 years. As a matter of fact, I call being in highsec not actively playing the game - it's where I put my characters to hibernate. Despite logging in and doing stuff regulary, being in highsec is not playing eve for me.

However, the thing is that finding 'friends' and blobbing the crap out of someone isn't hard at all, but flying in a blob, going down a target list like you're working on a 1920's telephone switchboard and getting instavolleyed every now and then is mind-boggingly boring.

The problem is that anything except ~gudfites~ for the sole purpose of getting killmails to make you look ~elite-pvp~ is best done in a blob.

The mere memory has me thinking that I can't possibly eat as much as I'd like to throw up.

Either CCP provide the sandbox with proper small gang objectives except killmails or sov 0.0 will remain stagnant - there's only so many people who enjoy being a mindless drone (or herding cats in case you FC).

I'm only a 2+ months old player and so far am enjoying hi sec a lot. Maybe I'm one of those very boring 'live and let live' people who enjoy doing mundane stuff, who likes a rather introvert lifestyle, doing things mostly on my own, but that's me and I'm completely happy with the way I play and my options in EVE - and yes, there are many ways to play Eve alone as well. That's what I love about it, you can play it anyway you like.

Just a few days ago I went for the very first time to a nearby 0.4 simply because I've read all these threads that low sec is overrated and nothing happens there, bla bla...My ship was hit by gatecampers within seconds. Lost my meager Cormorant and right after I got podded as well - lost some measly 2mill in stuff overall. I shrugged it off, got shipped to my clone and went about my business back in hi sec. My first experience there was negative, but I got over it and moved on *shrugs*.

True I had no idea what I should have done to not get gatecamped, and maybe I should have learned more about low sec and what to do, but atm I'm still learning the various aspects of hi sec in my own time and having lots of fun along the way. Skilling up and learning about exploration, doing missions for SOE to get their special exploring gear, finished the SOE epic arc, learning about trading...plenty to do in hi sec as well. Of course going to 0.4 without a chance to even make it past the gate left a rather bitter taste in my mouth and that experience keeps me from going down again, at least until I get more experience and feel like I'm ready to move beyond hi sec. I know it will happen, just now right now. *shrugs*.