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Suicide Ganking and it's effect in EVE (my opinion)
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Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-07-20 23:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Meinerman
I started off playing EVE in 2008 as a miner. I worked hard and built up my mining skills and helped out a few corps along the way. I have never been a bot, only mined AFK once in all that time and very rarely dumped my ore onto the market. Recently my corp bought a mackinaw for use in gathering material for production. I used it well until yesterday when I was suicide ganked in Teonusude in Molden Heath.

I am not writing this to complain about being ganked, of course I was angry when it happened, but such is life in eve. I have read many posts both for and against suicide ganking and I see both sides. As a victim, my fellow miners will probably be surprised to read that I do not believe the practice should be stopped by CCP. I learned a valuable lesson from it and will alter my game play accordingly (thankfully most of my skills are combat related). My one complaint is that some corps and alliances are doing it under the banner of "law." Saying they have the exclusive rights to issue mining licenses in highsec space. This is extortion pure and simple and it is a cowardly way to play in my book. From what i read most gankers do it for some higher cause and thats understandable albeit sometimes misguided. But most of them are dedicated PvPers who also play elsewhere. I am going to move to null sec with a credible corp and alliance and continue to mine, but not the boring highsec mining any more. And when I am called to fight I will do so with enthusiasm and play eve in the funnest way I can. So the effect suicide ganking has on EVE, in my opinion, is both good or bad. It all depends on how the ganked person takes it:)
Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-20 23:48:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Meinerman
:)
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#3 - 2012-07-20 23:59:54 UTC
banner of "law":
I think that's just roleplaying/acting and/or trying to be funny. You know, like ninja salvagers saying they do it to clean up space.

Or maybe there's a real "business interest" in it, since you say corps and alliances do it as a whole. Chasing away miners from systems they want to have to themselves, trying to control an aspect of the game (mining) in an area they view as their own, even though you can't technically own high sec space, from what I understood. It's like organized crime.

Maybe I don't understand you right, but it seems strange to me that of all things these "claims" (or jokes) about enforcing some law are what bother you. :)

Edit: there's also an edit button on this forum ;)
Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-21 00:02:11 UTC
Thanks I am brain dead and didn't see it. And yes what bothered me was the guy harrassing me in mail about paying him 50 mil a month. I said no and he kept emailing me. Other than that...gank away
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#5 - 2012-07-21 00:11:53 UTC
Meinerman wrote:
Thanks I am brain dead and didn't see it. And yes what bothered me was the guy harrassing me in mail about paying him 50 mil a month. I said no and he kept emailing me. Other than that...gank away


Well, I can understand it being annoying if they don't give up and spam you with mail after you declined them, instead of just killing you again and again ;)

I wasn't in a situation I would have needed it so far, but since every decent game offers the possibility to chat-ignore people you don't want to be bothered by, that should be possible in eve, too, I guess?
Maybe try that. :)
Otto Phallatio
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-07-21 00:44:49 UTC
Chat-Herpes has a cure.....

"You know, one in the pink, three in the stink... romance!"
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-21 00:47:34 UTC
Serena Serene wrote:
Meinerman wrote:
Thanks I am brain dead and didn't see it. And yes what bothered me was the guy harrassing me in mail about paying him 50 mil a month. I said no and he kept emailing me. Other than that...gank away


Well, I can understand it being annoying if they don't give up and spam you with mail after you declined them, instead of just killing you again and again ;)

I wasn't in a situation I would have needed it so far, but since every decent game offers the possibility to chat-ignore people you don't want to be bothered by, that should be possible in eve, too, I guess?
Maybe try that. :)

EVE has a block list. So if they are constantly pestering you about money just right click their name and hit "add to blacklist"
Meinerman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-07-21 00:48:12 UTC
Thanks...he quit eventually. I never really tried to block so I didn't know how lol
Exa Byte
Molden Heath Environmental Authority
#9 - 2012-07-21 02:59:26 UTC
Hello there. I'm the CEO of the Molden Heath Environmental Authority, and it appears that you have a complaint about one of our authorized inspectors. How unfortunate. I will followup to find out what happened.


I do have one question for you:

Were you mining in Molden Heath without a license, despite clearly posted warnings?







Mine the environmentally friendly way - get a license and do your part.
Mane Frehm
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-07-21 22:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mane Frehm
Good day. I'm Mining Inspector #14, and I've been asked to respond to the OP.

We are authorized agents for the MHEA and their rules are very clear - no mining in Molden Heath without a license. The OP was found mining in Molden Heath without a license, and so I followed the standard protocol for inspection - destroy the offending ship.

I was promptly greeted with profanity and threats in local, and when I explained the error of his ways, there was simply more of the same. When I sent a followup EVE mail explaining how to get a license I received 2 mails in return - one laden with profanity and the other boasting about how many Mackinaws he could afford and threatening to bring capital ships against mining inspectors.

When I followed up to find out how many capital ships there would be (each one would of course need a license), I again received insults and a bit of whining. I admit I lost my temper at that point (clearly its time for me to get more sensitivity training), but even so I tried one last time to be helpful, explaining that fitting a civilian shield booster on a Mackinaw is not a good idea. The response was as bitter as before, only this time there was a claim of harassment.

I was surprised as he had been sending me twice as many mails as I sent him. In any event, I responded in kind asking that he not send me any more mails. But he did.....sigh.


The OP clearly needs to learn more about the environment and the devastation caused by illegal mining (we have training programs available at a very reasonable rate). I hope he sees the error of his ways. My apologies to the MHEA - I will sign up for that sensitivity course. Oh - and to the OP - I can issue you that license at any time; happy to help out.



Mane Frehm
Mining Inspector #14
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#11 - 2012-07-21 23:07:38 UTC
I now have a desire to mine there without a licence. Have them chase me off about 50 or so times.

Just curious, do you actually honor (lol) the licences, or is it a scam like most of these operation are?

Don't answer that... it'll be the same either way.Lol
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-21 23:27:07 UTC
I am going to move to null sec with a credible corp and alliance and continue to mine, but not the boring highsec mining any more.
Mining ain't boring in null sec?
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#13 - 2012-07-22 00:57:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sugar Kyle
Confirming, Mane can only gank Hulks for PvP.



The Inspectors of the MHEA honor licenses. :)

Sadly, unregistered inspectors run loose. Their concerns for the enviorment overwhelm them seomtimes.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-22 04:11:52 UTC
Mane Frehm wrote:
Good day. I'm Mining Inspector #14, and I've been asked to respond to the OP.

We are authorized agents for the MHEA and their rules are very clear - no mining in Molden Heath without a license. The OP was found mining in Molden Heath without a license, and so I followed the standard protocol for inspection - destroy the offending ship.

I was promptly greeted with profanity and threats in local, and when I explained the error of his ways, there was simply more of the same. When I sent a followup EVE mail explaining how to get a license I received 2 mails in return - one laden with profanity and the other boasting about how many Mackinaws he could afford and threatening to bring capital ships against mining inspectors.

When I followed up to find out how many capital ships there would be (each one would of course need a license), I again received insults and a bit of whining. I admit I lost my temper at that point (clearly its time for me to get more sensitivity training), but even so I tried one last time to be helpful, explaining that fitting a civilian shield booster on a Mackinaw is not a good idea. The response was as bitter as before, only this time there was a claim of harassment.

I was surprised as he had been sending me twice as many mails as I sent him. In any event, I responded in kind asking that he not send me any more mails. But he did.....sigh.


The OP clearly needs to learn more about the environment and the devastation caused by illegal mining (we have training programs available at a very reasonable rate). I hope he sees the error of his ways. My apologies to the MHEA - I will sign up for that sensitivity course. Oh - and to the OP - I can issue you that license at any time; happy to help out.



Mane Frehm
Mining Inspector #14

Logs or it didn't happen.
Sorceror Majiir
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-22 04:25:58 UTC
What a load of crap.. role playing the fact you gank some new player who is just trying to learn and enjoy Eve. gah makes me wanna puke. Well, OP stand your ground, I'll send you cash for ship replacement and show you where to mine if that's what you want to do. I'll even bring a repper and we can watch the gank go splat while sipping an appropriate beverage.

- Majiir
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#16 - 2012-07-22 04:48:17 UTC
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
What a load of crap.. role playing the fact you gank some new player who is just trying to learn and enjoy Eve. gah makes me wanna puke. Well, OP stand your ground, I'll send you cash for ship replacement and show you where to mine if that's what you want to do. I'll even bring a repper and we can watch the gank go splat while sipping an appropriate beverage.

- Majiir

Repper won't save a fail fit from a well thought out (or not) gank.
Sorceror Majiir
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-07-22 06:13:01 UTC
Corina: Fair enough, can't say that I've tried to rep through a barge/exhumer gank b4.
Seems if it took the guy 7 volleys, if I read that right, you should be able to rep it, but who knows. You tried to rep through an attack like that b4?

- Majiir
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-07-22 06:17:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Astroniomix
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
What a load of crap.. role playing the fact you gank some new player who is just trying to learn and enjoy Eve. gah makes me wanna puke. Well, OP stand your ground, I'll send you cash for ship replacement and show you where to mine if that's what you want to do. I'll even bring a repper and we can watch the gank go splat while sipping an appropriate beverage.

- Majiir

When going on a crusade against highsec hulk ganking. It helps to have a semi-decent (or at least pre exsisting) posting history/combat log to show that you have played the game for a while and know your way around the block. Because from what I can see, I'm not sure you even know your way around your room.

EDIT: the gankers will either kill the ship in one shot (nothing to rep then) or will kill it between rep cycles.
Pipa Porto
#19 - 2012-07-22 06:33:07 UTC
Meinerman wrote:
This is extortion pure and simple


Yes, it is. So? Extortion is perfectly fine in EVE.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Korgan Medel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-07-22 06:46:21 UTC
If anyone continues to mail you change your CSPA charge to 1mil for a while, he will soon give up while you get richer Big smile
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