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edited now that I've thought this and some comments below through some more:

With the great news about the infamous Logoffski maneuver becoming a thing of the past, I'd like to propose a sister change to how things behave when a ship self-destructs while it has aggression. Using the same aggression checks that can be used to determine whether a ship should be able to disappear on logoff, it should be possible to prevent someone from denying their enemies a kill they earned.

• When a ship is set to self-destruct, the capacitor is drained, its modules are all offlined and its resistances are set to 0. This creates a tangible down-side to setting self-destruct while being attacked.
• If the ship successfully self-destructs, its drop rate is reduced by 50%, meaning modules and cargo would have a 25% chance of surviving. So there's still an advantage to doing it if you can pull it off.
• A killmail will ALWAYS be generated, with the self-destructing ship inflicting damage to itself as needed to finish it off.

Option: insurance payments could be reduced or removed entirely for self-destructing. This might be limited to doing so while there is an aggression timer on the ship.

I've seen ships self-destruct well into structure and not generate a killmail.

Only if it carries the risk of being easier to kill during the destruction timer, perhaps with a better drop rate if it doesn't complete the self destruct.



I'm mostly bringing this up now as the logoffski nerf is going to increase the use of self-destruct (I think) for the sole purpose of spiting enemies and that's something that needs to be removed. If nothing else, it is completely unrealistic: "we're being attacked! Quick! Blow up the ship before they do!"

Also, I forgot to include the idea of denying insurance payouts for self-destructed ships. Again, it's sort of a mix-and-match affair, not every idea is needed to make this better.

simple solution
remove kill mails.
no killmails
no ZOMG HE DENIED ME KILLMAIL BAN HIM OR FIX IT

he died, you can loot his ship THAT is what matters, not the "such and such killed such and such in a blob"

erm no.

i guessing prople do this to you all the time. if u want to get the KM from a ship that is self destructing then bring more firepower.
dont wine about it needing a fix on the forums.

FYI killmails are for EPEEN only, and if you constantly need to prove that you have one that you probably wanna try a different MMO
the loot is where its at bro

NOT SUPOPTED

Even in real life warfare self destruction is a viable option to remove the possibility of war material falling into enemy hands. So I think blowing up one's own ship in the face of inevitable ship loss should remain a possible outcome as well. If the enemies are too slow to bring down a ship in the alotted time, they aren't entitled to the spoils.

So, I think...

• Self destruct should reduce the probability of modules surviving even further
• Maybe even taking a "klingon-esque" approach to the situation: If we need to blow up ourselves, do it with a bang that is painful to everyone nearby as well (those who know good ol' VGAPlanets might recognize what I'm thinking about...)

I don't care about killmails. Never read them, never post any. Though what I do care is that when I lose my ship, others shouldn't get anything from it.


And yes, before you ask: When I'm doing missions in Highsec, I'm not above blowing up my own wrecks as soon as a ninja salvager shows himself. If I can't loot them, nobody else should be able to.

atm self destruct is one of the big enemy's of smaller gangs (like one's i fly usually) as even when you managed to tackle a capital - they can always self-destuct, last 2 months or so i think i'm seeing like 10+ capitals to go this way both in low sec and 0.0(last one was chimera last night in syndicate)....
and about this take more firepower issue.... lets take avg carrier 1.3m hp - so if you avg roaming ship is making like 400dps, you need like 30 of those to kill it with 2 minute - and sry 30 is already quite a big gang.... or you can make it capital online and then everyone wines that *NERF CAPITALS*

also one of the bad things atm more is - that usually in fight with lot of messages displayed all the time (guns/drones damage, scrambler messages etc... its quite often that self destruct messages will even not be notified before ship will actually self destruct - so even when ccp desired that they like self destruct as sucks and they will go fot it - they should add some kind of red timer to overview or something if there is ship(s) in grid who have self destruct timers online!



its only a question of time before some super-cap fleet is beginning self destructed as they are losing fight and all doomed and no hope to save them-self with log-off - so they will make only thing they can to hit back and self destruct and deny km with enemy!

but well - i hope this happens fast and generate a lot of wine so ccp will hopefully do something



i understand you 100% this was nice bait (frig fleet) and then nice escalation (half the gallente low sec was there i think and you actually managed to kill one of the anchors before this was self destructing) what should give you as reward some nice capital km - however as last alternative for you enemy they can always self destruct and so deny your your reward as you was better today - maybe next time this is other way around and in the end there is large number of un-happy players!

also this archon who self destruct was piloted by my (alt) - so i know what i'm talking (and until in-game why not to use it as weapon of last resort), but there is very few things in eve what would make my more happy than removing of self destruct as way to deny km!

Killmails exist and should be accurate.

if you are trying to prove stuff for merc contracts then i would like to point you in the direction of your logs, they have all the proof you need.

unless you contract pl (and they will probably just make it capital online), then its not very probable that self destruct is issue to you - as only ships in game that can get use of this is capitals as is not hard to kill sub-capital with too minute