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Dev response please! Machariel downsized to 1400 meters is a joke!!!

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Kaycerra
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-07-20 06:26:23 UTC
Machariel was, and still is with the change a bit too big. the old size (1900) makes the ship LARGER than some carriers, and frankly thats a bit ridiculous. This gave the ship specific advantages in game, like making it easier to bump enemy ships, but really throws off the overall scale of the different ships in eve. I know that fitting them on grid would be ridiculous if they reflected their true lengths and signature radii' and all, but battleships and carrier same size was bad.

I support this change.
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden
#22 - 2012-07-20 07:09:54 UTC
Okay okay i see, everyone is telling Macha was to big, but....if looked into it seems more the Carriers and other Capitals were to small in size....whatever someone fits in his own sight of view.

On the other hand it's rigth to resize ships in a proper size according to their abilities and whatnot....so...i'm giving up to argue about the shrinking from the Machariel but demand at least a resizing from the other Battleshisp, Capitals and so on as well.

Sincerly

Carola Kessler Smile
Sellendis
The Ares project
#23 - 2012-07-20 08:47:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sellendis
I agree, Mach was big, but it should remain the biggest BS in the game.
Its made from Jove designs, so its advanced tech somewhat. Big, fast and agile.
Seeing Mach in action next to other ships is awesome, now resized its like all other BSs, not so imposing.
So resize all or restore Mach to 1.9km CCP, please.

Scaling ingame is a old problem, 2km long Provi can dock in the station and any SC cant, Nyx and Wyvren are only 3.2-3.3km long. Not much of a difference for docking (since i see a lot of empty space next to my docked Provi :)
Hell, Archon is 3286m long and can dock, Wyvren is 3226 and cant dock, funny aint it. So a regular carrier is bigger than a super carrier.....WTF here? Gonna resize Wyvren and Nyx then or downsize Archon? Fix all or dont bother at all.

Turrets look like insanely big cannons on frigates, on BS they look like toys, not scaled at all properly.

Fitting 2 BS in a carrier is a old stupid problem, how can a carrier barely few hundred meters bigger than 1 BS, fit 2 in its hangar? The carrier should be then 4 times the size at least to fit two 1km long BS inside.

Sig sizes and weight aside, titans should then be ~30km, SC 10-13km, and carriers around at least twice the current size to get any sense of scale.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-07-20 08:59:49 UTC
Sellendis wrote:
Sig sizes and weight aside, titans should then be ~30km, SC 10-13km, and carriers around at least twice the current size to get any sense of scale.

I don't think titans need to double in size (maybe should be more around 20-24 km), but the SC and carrier sizes sound good. Dreadnaughts also need a size increase.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Sellendis
The Ares project
#25 - 2012-07-20 09:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Sellendis
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sellendis wrote:
Sig sizes and weight aside, titans should then be ~30km, SC 10-13km, and carriers around at least twice the current size to get any sense of scale.

I don't think titans need to double in size (maybe should be more around 20-24 km), but the SC and carrier sizes sound good. Dreadnaughts also need a size increase.



Yeah, well sizes are not set in stone, just keep the scale somewhat working.
Titans should dwarf anything, so being double the size of a SC is IMHO kinda small, x3 the size maybe?

Honestly i forgot about dreads, some like Nag are bigger than SCs and can still dock, they are the size of SC anyway, so bumping them to 7-8km and SC to 10-13.
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#26 - 2012-07-20 15:22:04 UTC
Sellendis wrote:
I agree, Mach was big, but it should remain the biggest BS in the game.
Its made from Jove designs, so its advanced tech somewhat. Big, fast and agile.
Seeing Mach in action next to other ships is awesome, now resized its like all other BSs, not so imposing.
So resize all or restore Mach to 1.9km CCP, please.

Scaling ingame is a old problem, 2km long Provi can dock in the station and any SC cant, Nyx and Wyvren are only 3.2-3.3km long. Not much of a difference for docking (since i see a lot of empty space next to my docked Provi :)
Hell, Archon is 3286m long and can dock, Wyvren is 3226 and cant dock, funny aint it. So a regular carrier is bigger than a super carrier.....WTF here? Gonna resize Wyvren and Nyx then or downsize Archon? Fix all or dont bother at all.

Turrets look like insanely big cannons on frigates, on BS they look like toys, not scaled at all properly.

Fitting 2 BS in a carrier is a old stupid problem, how can a carrier barely few hundred meters bigger than 1 BS, fit 2 in its hangar? The carrier should be then 4 times the size at least to fit two 1km long BS inside.

Sig sizes and weight aside, titans should then be ~30km, SC 10-13km, and carriers around at least twice the current size to get any sense of scale.


yep do it CCP


P:S: And I personally don't care about anyone who comes into this thread moaning that his capitals can't all safely snuggle under his POS anymore
Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-07-20 15:30:08 UTC
The mach was fine in size, its the capitals that are way too small... also the rifter needs to go down in size or at least make the guns bigger :/ its ridiculous...
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#28 - 2012-07-20 15:52:10 UTC
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
The mach was fine in size, its the capitals that are way too small... also the rifter needs to go down in size or at least make the guns bigger :/ its ridiculous...


2km long bs that is the fastest, most agile, and has a tiny sig. How was that ludacris insult to scale ever fine? To be honest the mach should be one of the smallest of all the battleships for reasons already stated as well as the fact jove Battleships tend to be smaller than the more traditional ones fielded by the four races.


Scale across all ships needs to be heavily reworked... Thrasher being larger than a rupture is just another example of foolish scaling.
Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-07-21 17:12:17 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
The mach was fine in size, its the capitals that are way too small... also the rifter needs to go down in size or at least make the guns bigger :/ its ridiculous...


2km long bs that is the fastest, most agile, and has a tiny sig. How was that ludacris insult to scale ever fine? To be honest the mach should be one of the smallest of all the battleships for reasons already stated as well as the fact jove Battleships tend to be smaller than the more traditional ones fielded by the four races.


Scale across all ships needs to be heavily reworked... Thrasher being larger than a rupture is just another example of foolish scaling.


Yes true that it was the biggest, but maybe the material it was made from, due to the Jovian+Angel nature, it just had the properties of being very agile and fast. Size doesn't always mean slower/faster. But thrasher is lol yeah.
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#30 - 2012-07-21 18:21:19 UTC
The machariel is the biggest ship unpackage: (595,000 m3) compared to other battleships that are below 500,000 m3. You can't put more than one machariel in a carrier as a result.


I do say the machariel should be back to its original size, its one of the things that made the ship awesome.
to0onsi
National Liberation Force
Honorable Third Party
#31 - 2012-07-22 02:48:21 UTC
yeah please please restore the previous size Attention
now is smaller than hyperion and apocalypse :/.... he always had that size why reduce it now ??
he's the biggest BS, that's what makes it unique.
Nephthiis
National Liberation Force
Honorable Third Party
#32 - 2012-07-22 02:54:54 UTC
please don't ruin it like the vaga Cry
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#33 - 2012-07-22 05:46:10 UTC
I think some of the rescaling was do to fitting the new launchers on ships.

The Rifter is huge now, it went from 56m to 139m... kinda ridiculous. I think they over did it on some ships.

Would really like to see some uniformity with ship sizes based on their class.

Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke.

to0onsi
National Liberation Force
Honorable Third Party
#34 - 2012-07-22 16:07:55 UTC
someone can just answer me why reduce the macha size ?!
I need to understand why...
RangerGord
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#35 - 2012-07-22 17:13:00 UTC
ok, this explains why when i undocked in my dramiel to check out its newer much darker textures i could barely see the turrets... i was thinking, did they shrink the turrets that much? it just feels way too big
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#36 - 2012-07-22 17:29:48 UTC
to0onsi wrote:
someone can just answer me why reduce the macha size ?!
I need to understand why...


It's been answered like 20 times between this and other threads.
to0onsi
National Liberation Force
Honorable Third Party
#37 - 2012-07-23 10:45:43 UTC
but in this case must be changed the unpackaged size he's the only BS who take 595K m3 before it makes sense...
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2012-07-23 11:50:39 UTC
If we are correcting sizes...

looking at capitals, dreads are good, caldari carriers size needs to double and all supers should double or triple in size, specially the caldari one...
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden
#39 - 2012-07-23 11:53:18 UTC
Nevigrofnu Mrots wrote:
If we are correcting sizes...

looking at capitals, dreads are good, caldari carriers size needs to double and all supers should double or triple in size, specially the caldari one...



That was what i was referring to, Sizes from Capitals are to small, in relation to the noncapital ships, so technically the downsizing from the Machariel wasn't necessary, just a scale up in sizes for the Carriers and Super Carriers would've done the job just saying.

sincerly

Carola Kessler Smile
Sellendis
The Ares project
#40 - 2012-07-23 14:32:16 UTC
Correct, downsizing the Mach was pointless. Archon is bigger than Wyvren and almost same size as Nxy, and thats a carrier we are talking about.
Carriers need to get bigger, not BS to get smaller.